I'm not sure how I feel reading this from the magazine that put the Boston bomber on its cover like he was a rock star.
How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News
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I don't think that's true, he kept putting the emphasis the fact that a pipeline would mean Germany financing putin and his regime, so it needed to be blocked. Sure, there is absolutely an element of gaining leverage on Europe but that's still a pretty counterproductive thing to do if he was a russian asset. Pushing for more military spending in NATO, especially to defend eastern Europe would also have been very weir…
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Biden got the U.S. out of Afghanistan, is that playing an "isolationist game" too? Sometimes good policy is just good policy.
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#83Isn't rollingstone part of the same "progressive" cabal? What made them eat their own today?
Exactly!
I think it's because CNN is supposed to be dialing more towards 'center' in an effort to pump up dismal ratings. Maybe Rolling Stone is 'punishing' them for the betrayal.
P.S. Could ESPN/ABC/NBC/PBS/etc be far behind?
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#84The Russia investigation coverage changed my view on the limits and possibilities of propaganda. Have never been more cynical of humanity, or rather, people running the show commonly have the same abilities as the school teacher at the local public school
It's the Gell-Mann amnesia effect (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Crichton#GellMannAmn...) in full flow.
Journalists, almost entirely as a group, are experts in nothing. Colossaly ill informed on every subject, and "research" consists of scrolling through Twitter to find a point of view that backs up their preexisting predudices. These days, many struggle with even basic English and grammar.
I'm not even giving them the credit of indulging in propaganda, because that requires some actual critical thought and intelligence. They're just bad at their job.
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in a way, Fox news is honest news. They were created (and everyone knows) to report from a "point of view" of the right. The "left wing" media pretend to be the only real/factual news/journalism, but can be just as biased and partisan, if not worse.
There is no major left-wing equivalent to the Tucker Carlson original series Fox pushes. I’m not sure I buy that the left-wing media stoops to quite the lows that Fox does. The Patriot Purge series specifically intones that Jan. 6 was a false flag operation from the FBI to institute martial law and arrest Trump supporters - that, from the most watched cable news host in the US. https://nation.foxnews.com/tucker-carls…
Exactly. This article on Rolling Stone only gets published because there is a market for it, i.e., there are Right-wingers out there looking for 'evidence' that CNN is just as bad as 'fair & balanced' Fox News. In a free enterprise world, pieces only get published when there is a demand for it. I'm not quite persuaded by the Rolling Stone piece. To me, it has 'what about CNN' written all over it.
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Please stop spreading misinformation. The narrative that the Russians influenced the 2016 election is a baseless conspiracy theory that has long since been debunked as is the theory you're promoting about Tucker Carlson. If you have reliable evidence you should post it but I thought posting misinformation isn't allowed here
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>Good question! Yes, it is, so let's stick with it: Was the winning candidate a white supremacist?
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In regards to the governor, only questions have been asked in this thread - no claims have been made. Are you confused and meant to post in a different thread?
The talking points about white supremacists supporting this person or that person are all just an excuse for why they lost. Just partisan hacks who are bitter they lost so they point the finger at the other side and say mean things. They can't accept any blame on themselves so they desperately make up Boogeymen. Pretty childish imo. Note that this general behavior isn't limited to the left, the right is guilty too (e.g. it was antifa!).
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#88The Russia investigation coverage changed my view on the limits and possibilities of propaganda. Have never been more cynical of humanity, or rather, people running the show commonly have the same abilities as the school teacher at the local public school
It's the Gell-Mann amnesia effect ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Crichton#GellMannAmn... ) in full flow. Journalists, almost entirely as a group, are experts in nothing. Colossaly ill informed on every subject, and "research" consists of scrolling through Twitter to find a point of view that backs up their preexisting predudices. These days, many struggle with even basic English and grammar. I'm not even g…
> Journalists, almost entirely as a group, are experts in nothing. Colossaly ill informed on every subject, and "research" consists of scrolling through Twitter to find a point of view that backs up their preexisting predudices. These days, many struggle with even basic English and grammar.
News outlets have incentives to create clickbait (or to favor stories that otherwise align with the motivations of their financial stakeholders), and "access reporters" have incentives to cozy up to their subjects.
But there are many, many journalists out there doing the actual work of researching subjects in depth and reporting on them to the best of their capability.
This story we're discussing right now - which exposes the corruption at CNN - wasn't generated by some layabout scrolling through their twitter timeline.
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Well there's the Russians under every bed paranoia Look how they treated Trump from the start. 2020 was the most secure election in American history. 2016 was stolen by secret Russian collusion, that even a multi year long Mueller probe was unable to find any connections or collusion. You can also find the limits on information through polling. Over half of fox News viewers believe that the US government found WMDs i…
The Mueller investigation did however find evidence of obstruction of justice. There was also undisputably communication between the Trump campaign and the Russians. A reasonable person can still believe that it’s within the realm of possibility that something illegal went down there, although I concede it has not been proven. Contrast that with what I asked for, claims as deranged as what QAnon put forth. Are you te…
The entire Trump-Russia collusion story was invented by the Clinton campaign and fed to leftists eager to hear anything that explained how Trump could have been elected. The fact is that Trump appealed to enough people in enough states to win in 2016, but instead of believing that, leftists jumped on this collusion nonsense. That story is literally the biggest conspiracy theory of all time, and it sounds like you bought it hook, line, and sinker. Believing that Trump was taking orders from Putin is comparable to believing that the world is controlled by cabal of pedophiles. Your bias may prevent you from seeing it, or the four years of media spreading the conspiracy theory, but they are equally unrealistic.
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#90Somehow people seem to believe that media became worse over time. No, that didn't happen. It's just that people found out exactly how the media works because they had access to the source material. I remember the Trump election cycle when they kept coming up with "the beginning of the end" for Trump by mis-reporting what he said in rallies, debates, speeches... only to find out that the supporters kept growing... bec…
The media has become worse again. That doesn't mean that it was never this bad before. We're in a new age of yellow journalism.