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Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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I think the difference is that western media generally can and do publish at least some critical pieces. The same can't be said in Russia right now. It's a whole different level.

Exactly. Just before the war kicked off, the BBC was doing nothing but hammering the UK prime minister on various matters. How many Putin critical articles did RT or Sputnik news post?

They don't criticise Putin. They write about the criticism he receives. Kind of like a news outlet would.

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/03/05/the-predictable-demise...

Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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Ofcom has sent out notices, and the UK has blocked news of Russia from its citizens, by banning RT and such.

https://news.yahoo.com/rt-russian-backed-tv-news-105214336.h...

Russia seems to be doing what the UK is doing to it, blocking the BBC in retaliation.

In the 1970s and 1980s, the English locked Irish people in concentration camps without trial. In Derry people marched through the street and the British Army opened fire on the crowd killing 14 civilians. The queen then decorated the regiment who did this with medals. The Irish began to elect (abstensionist) Sinn Féin MPs to the UK parliament, but the BBC was banned from broadcasting their voices. So this kind of censorship is not new to the BBC.

Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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These number are provided by Russian government. How can you be sure that they are true? Also, those so called "referenda" did not conform to Ukrainian laws.

How can you be sure they are not true? During these last 30 years there's been 3 different referenda about Crimea, all with roughly the same outcomes. > Also, those so called "referenda" did not conform to Ukrainian laws. US independence did also not conform to British laws, the existence of Kurdistan is not conform with Iraqi or Syrian national laws, Catalonian independence would not be conform with Spanish law, yet…

Ukrainians installed webcams at polling station on previous election, for transparency. When war started, they were still installed. We watched fake referendum in Crimea in real time on site. I personally saw about 3-5 voters per hour on most polling stations, except for stations where Russian tv was: they were full. Moreover, anybody was able to vote, including Russian tourists.

Also, you need to know that Russians are not natives in Crimea. By UN standard, natives are those people, who live in place for 200 years.

Russians expelled native Crimeans from Crimea to Ukraine, to substitute Ukrainians died during genocide, and to Siberia.

They used situation with Crimean Goths as excuse, because Germans used Crimean Goths as translators.

After expelling of natives, Crimean land was used as prize for soviet officers. They had no experience of agriculture in dry climate, so they cut vines and tried to farm potatoes, which caused famine. Also, Crimea was cut from RF, so RF was unable to help.

To fix situation, Crimea was returned back to Ukraine, to rebuild economy, because Ukrainians knows Crimea climate for more than millenia and Crimea was part of Ukraine since breakup of Russian Empire. However, Russians portait this return of Crimea as gift to Ukraine and want to stole it back.

Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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BBC stopped shortwave broadcasts to Europe in 2008 alas, glad to see it brought back. Very glad. Was tired only hearing Radio Romania International and China Radio International.. :)

Ha! Indeed, I'm listening to CRI as I type this! When you say stopped broadcasts to Europe do you mean programming content rather than frequencies used? I hope there is more will to expand these BBC services permanently. Long time before I got into computers as a career I was a sound recording engineer. I had a brief time at Nottingham University's languages department recording off-air shortwave broadcasts from rack…

Programming and freqs afaik, but I could be wrong. When I was scanning the bands in UK/Europe couple of years back never once did I hear BBC..

Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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What is the best type of radio, or best type of radios, to have in the event of a protracted, possibly nuclear conflict? Ready.gov suggests a hand crank or NOAA weather radio. Specifically, I suppose some good goals would be: 1. Receive instructions from any functioning local or state government. This would require that the local government know which type of radio the populace is likely to be listening on, which giv…

Shortwave radios are cool but a lot of countries (eg Netherlands) have decommissioned their "world service" transmitters. And due to the massive antennas and high power needed these are not reinstated easily.

I would get a receiver that can receive the amateur bands too. These tend to be very active during emergencies. You'd need continuous coverage and SSB (LSB/USB) receive. Can be had for 100 bucks or so.

Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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The BBC has been broadcasting on shortwave for decades - BBC World Service. The, somewhat hyperbolic, article implies this is somehow new and "WWII era". Many counties around the world still use shortwave for various reasons - unofficial propaganda being one of them. The BBC World Service itself is and has been funded by the British government to promote its interests abroad.[1] The content is usually cultural in con…

> The BBC has been broadcasting on shortwave for decades - BBC World Service. But stopped broadcasting in Europe and the Americas quite a while ago.

On shortwave, but it's on DAB and online.

Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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Note that Europe also bans media they don’t like, namely RT News and Sputnik, along with severe guidance on content with regular threats of fines or deplatforming, coming from governments such as CSA in France. Censorship has absolutely a role in democracy.

I think the difference is that western media generally can and do publish at least some critical pieces. The same can't be said in Russia right now. It's a whole different level.

It's not just the media. Most western countries have entire opposition political parties. And regular citizens bad mouth their leaders all the time with no fear of repercussions. I directly hassle the leaders of my country on their official twitter accounts.

There could be a small chance that not being moral absolutists on this issue could be a slippery slope, but it's still not the same.

Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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What is the best type of radio, or best type of radios, to have in the event of a protracted, possibly nuclear conflict? Ready.gov suggests a hand crank or NOAA weather radio. Specifically, I suppose some good goals would be: 1. Receive instructions from any functioning local or state government. This would require that the local government know which type of radio the populace is likely to be listening on, which giv…

I have two of the DEGEN DE-13 solar/hand crank multiband radios, and I gave several away to relatives and friends.

They sit on my window sill in the sun all year, for the situation that hopefully never comes.

Re: BBC resurrects shortwave broadcasts as Russia blocks news of Ukraine invasion

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> Anytime anyone brings-up Western aggression, people cry whataboutism and so the topic cannot be discussed anymore This is literally lie. There are both discussions and articles about Iraq, Afganistan and what have you all the time. Especially here in HN. Hey, why do you dare to talk about Iraque when you did not stopped Balkan conflicts, you never attempted to help Tibet or stop genocide going on in Chine, so no ta…

Here I'll give you a quick example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30558245 Mikeb85 "> invades Iran The difference between Ukraine and all the other countries invaded in the last 50 or so years is that Ukraine is a real democracy and liberal, modern society. Iran, Syria, Iraq, etc... are not the same as Ukraine." femiagbabiaka "Truly amazing. This statement shows that you know very little about the history of U…

That is not example that would prove you are unable to discuss "western aggression" as a topic.

It is not even example of you trying to discuss it in context other then Ukraine.

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