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Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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The filesystem is horrible too.

Drivers - also not great. Left up to the manufacturers, no commitment to code quality, closed source, and often comes with bloatware.

Then after all those 'problems' I should be seeing tons of users choosing a Linux Desktop distro (which one out of millions) mass migrating out of Windows by now. Why is that still not the case yet after 20 years?

It seems that after 20 years, these users still do not care enough to do any of that and WSL2 has only given a reason to make backing up / migrating / wiping / installing a Linux Desktop distro even less worth it these days.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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>The ThinkPad 13s will start at $1,099 This $1099 config better have 16GB Memory and 512GB by default. Otherwise it is a machine that cost about the same as MacBook Air M2, with lower Display Res, slower CPU and GPU and No Touch ID. This is perhaps for the first time in history Apple has a better "spec" machine for the same price. With the scale of iPhone and iPad, Apple is now at a point where the whole PC industry…

> Biggest lie ever. People want 16:10, but for years the industry shove 16:9 to your customer because it was the cheaper panel. Any background on this? I always assumed 16:9 became popular because of videos.

It's easier to run LCD production lines if all the panels are produced on the line at the same aspect ratio. Given the prevalence of 16:9 video panels, this made it easier to produce 16:9 panels for laptops. (So, you're essentially correct.)

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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> Biggest lie ever. People want 16:10, but for years the industry shove 16:9 to your customer because it was the cheaper panel. Any background on this? I always assumed 16:9 became popular because of videos.

It's easier to run LCD production lines if all the panels are produced on the line at the same aspect ratio. Given the prevalence of 16:9 video panels, this made it easier to produce 16:9 panels for laptops. (So, you're essentially correct.)

Does that apply across sizes?

I'd expect laptop screens, having a different pixel density, to be manufactured on different lines so that having the same aspect ratio as some other size wouldn't count that much.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Tomshardware is such a ad filled cess pool of a site. I refuse to go to any pages of theirs. I’ve blocked them in my DNS. The tech reporting is garbage anyway besides the ad filled pages. A better site for this info is: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/02/lenovo-announces-the...

Why don't you use an ad blocker of your choice?

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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>The ThinkPad 13s will start at $1,099 This $1099 config better have 16GB Memory and 512GB by default. Otherwise it is a machine that cost about the same as MacBook Air M2, with lower Display Res, slower CPU and GPU and No Touch ID. This is perhaps for the first time in history Apple has a better "spec" machine for the same price. With the scale of iPhone and iPad, Apple is now at a point where the whole PC industry…

would linux support be better this time around with ARM considering we have had years of raspberry pi and similar devices support? i would love to know if linux can shine on arm for desktop use out of the box

This is something that scares me. Since linux had a large dominance on ARM, it was common to vendors to make drivers for their devices. By making drivers, I mean get the driver properly mainlined. Of course, there always existed the mostly proprietary and closed board support package but it was to their disadvantage and there was a huge incentive to write drivers.

My fear is that, with windows becoming popular on ARM, this incentive will disappear and linux support on these machine will be weak.

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When people ask “Does it run Linux”, they typically don’t mean WSL (which in its current iteration is essentially just a VM).

That is the only usable way for Linux Desktop on laptops after 20 years going for it.

This is completely untrue. I had a Asus laptop in 2003 in which everything worked out of the box under Red Hat Linux, save for video acceleration, but mine was a unfortunate model since most colleagues had no problem with their much better laptops. A couple years later I bought a (much more expensive) wonderful Fujitsu Siemens P7010 which supported Debian Linux out of the box 100% after I provided the firmware for the wireless card (a few Kb download). That machine lasted almost 10 years and was one of the most beautiful machine I ever owned. Then I purchased another Fujitsu i5-something laptop, and again: everything worked out of the box under Debian, and now my girlfriend uses it under Manjaro. Then I purchased a X240 i5 1080p Thinkpad with additional bigger battery for a whopping 8-9 hours of continuous use, again 100% working under Debian Linux, plus 4 or 5 netbooks, all 100% supported. I could count other models I installed to friends, colleagues and relatives, all perfectly supported. Linux supports a lot of hardware if you don't rush to buy the very last model, which wouldn't be advisable anyway for other reasons.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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When people ask “Does it run Linux”, they typically don’t mean WSL (which in its current iteration is essentially just a VM).

That is the only usable way for Linux Desktop on laptops after 20 years going for it.

I've got four laptops running linux, with all their features working. I stuck a USB stick with Ubuntu/Pop OS on it and booted, they ran and everything worked.

Thinkpads are famous for working great with Linux. The HP and Asus that I had worked great until their hardware failed.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Tomshardware is such a ad filled cess pool of a site. I refuse to go to any pages of theirs. I’ve blocked them in my DNS. The tech reporting is garbage anyway besides the ad filled pages. A better site for this info is: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/02/lenovo-announces-the...

And Arstechnica insists on autoplaying the same utterly pointless video right next to absolutely every single article at all times.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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>The ThinkPad 13s will start at $1,099 This $1099 config better have 16GB Memory and 512GB by default. Otherwise it is a machine that cost about the same as MacBook Air M2, with lower Display Res, slower CPU and GPU and No Touch ID. This is perhaps for the first time in history Apple has a better "spec" machine for the same price. With the scale of iPhone and iPad, Apple is now at a point where the whole PC industry…

The thing with lenovo is that advertise inflated prices. Everything is 50% off in a few months around black friday. The list price is only for press releases. Besides, thinkpads are sold primarily in bulk to companies who also get the discounted rate.
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