I was in NYC that week, visiting my in-laws, to be honest I've avoided watching this, because it's trauma is still raw, and viewing it again isn't going to provide any closure for me.
Newly published 9/11 footage [video]
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#82I'll just say this: many here are convinced our AI overlords have landed and we'll soon all be out of jobs and deepfakes are undistinguishable from the real thing. So I'll say this: if you believe AI is advanced, then in 2022 it's not possible to take this video for granted and you have to take into account that all evidence surfacing from now may be deepfakes. I'm not saying they are: I'm saying you have to keep tha…
This footage is not a deepfake. Deepfake is the technology that lets you emulate one person's face and slap it on someone else's head. There is no technology that can generate an entire 8-minute video of a specific event like 9/11 out of nothing. AI is not magic.
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That's not how this works. Classified material is not classified because it would make people feel some type of way. It's because the release of the material would have some effect on national security. With the end of the war in Afghanistan, there is no clear reason in my mind why the declassification of any existing video would be a cause of concern. https://www.archives.gov/files/isoo/training/training-reason... h…
"National Security" as a term is broad enough to include anything. Case on point I see "national security" given as a reason why economic espionage is okay or why the government won't release things that are embarrassing to politicians because it can effect how foreign leaders view them and that's "national security".
e.g. Why are there still secret documents on the JFK assassination?
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After all these years, I've still never seen a video of the Pentagon impact. Has anything come out for that?
It seems perfectly plausible to me that releasing video of the Pentagon being struck by terrorists would only serve to glorify the events that day. At the end of the day those agencies did their job and secured any footage. This gave the government the opportunity to decide what is released to the public and I think they made the right choice considering the promotional value of it to the terrorists.
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It's hard to believe, but new media of the September 11 attacks (and the towers before) comes out all the time. This includes rare pictures and videos. There are YouTube channels [0] specifically dedicated to finding music played on the plaza (muzak), partly inspired by Jack Taliercio's video [1], where you can hear songs being played while the attacks went down. Other channels have more mainstream videos (FOIA, NIST…
After all these years, I've still never seen a video of the Pentagon impact. Has anything come out for that?
Is there any video of the first NYC plane? If there was a second Pentagon plane, I'm sure we'd have that.
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As someone who watched the second plane hit live on CNN, it was... hard. People who weren't alive or were otherwise busy that morning don't remember the uncertainty after the first plane. Everyone thought it was an accident. No one could conceive it was a deliberate strike. Everyone knew terrorists hijacked airplanes to fly to third world countries, not to commit suicide into buildings. That cognitive dissonance all…
Exactly! I remember getting dressed for work while listening to MPR (Minnesota Public Radio) about an airplane hitting the WTC and I figured it was just a small Cessna 172 or something so I turned on my TV just in time to see the second impact live. Watching it happen live with the immediate knowledge that it was obviously a deliberate act was, like you said, a huge amount to process all at once. I actually think tha…
The memory I have of that day is similar. I had an early morning class and work in the afternoon. When we left the early morning class, a friend got a call from his parent asking if he was okay. We were in a midwestern college town nowhere near in danger of being a target. Checked the news on Yahoo and all we could get at that point was that a flight flew into the World Trade Center. We thought it was a private small jet that flew off course and laughed it off. Went home, turned on the TV and saw the second plane hit.
I still think back to that day and have some guilt about our initial reaction to the first flight. Given how instantly news propagates today I assumed that back then we knew the details already and just made light of the suffering. I moved to NYC right after college and recall those early years in the city where everyone knew every little detail of the day. Your recollection assuages some of the guilt I harbor from that day.
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The two other videos that got posted alongside this one makes me think it was a "forgotten tape that just got digitized" type of deal. However, I can also see there being an element of trauma and just not wanting to revisit the footage on purpose. I know I have some pictures I never want to look at again, although nothing on this scale.
Yeah, not wanting to revisit it fits with the “didn’t remove random other footage”, I can entirely understand them thinking “I’ll just uploaded it how it was because… I don’t want to think about trying to watch this again to edit it” It’s also surprisingly good quality too. I really was surprised at the zoom and focus on early into it. Gives me a distinct impression it was shot on what was probably quite a good porta…
I had a very similar video camera at the time. It was a surreal blast from the past, especially the slow frame by frame section.
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The two other videos that got posted alongside this one makes me think it was a "forgotten tape that just got digitized" type of deal. However, I can also see there being an element of trauma and just not wanting to revisit the footage on purpose. I know I have some pictures I never want to look at again, although nothing on this scale.
As someone who watched the second plane hit live on CNN, it was... hard. People who weren't alive or were otherwise busy that morning don't remember the uncertainty after the first plane. Everyone thought it was an accident. No one could conceive it was a deliberate strike. Everyone knew terrorists hijacked airplanes to fly to third world countries, not to commit suicide into buildings. That cognitive dissonance all…
Indeed. I was in high school watching CNN live at the time the second plane struck. There was tremendous uncertainty about what had happened. I thought for sure it had been egregious pilot error.
We watched as the second plane ran right into the tower. At that moment we started realizing that it was intentional. But even then, the uncertainty about who would do that to us and why, was really worse than before.
This event really changed my entire life. Prior to this I had plans to finish my automotive tech trade school program. Within the next few days watching the footage of people leaping to their deaths in preference to burning alive, and as more and more information trickled in about who was responsible for the attack, I decided I needed to join the military to help ensure that nothing like this ever happened again. My life would have played out a whole lot differently if not for this.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
As someone who watched the second plane hit live on CNN, it was... hard. People who weren't alive or were otherwise busy that morning don't remember the uncertainty after the first plane. Everyone thought it was an accident. No one could conceive it was a deliberate strike. Everyone knew terrorists hijacked airplanes to fly to third world countries, not to commit suicide into buildings. That cognitive dissonance all…
I remember it like it was yesterday. I lived in northern Virginia and was working at AOL as a sysadmin. I was young and a little flaky back then. I overslept that morning and when I woke up to take the dog out, it was a beautiful, crisp fall morning. I called a coworker to tell him that I would be late for the team meeting (this being pre-Zoom and before the "standup" became a thing). He said, "no worries, dude. Turn…
“We were taken to the AOL leadership bunker”
Is this a “critical infrastructure” thing?
Re: Newly published 9/11 footage [video]
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
The two other videos that got posted alongside this one makes me think it was a "forgotten tape that just got digitized" type of deal. However, I can also see there being an element of trauma and just not wanting to revisit the footage on purpose. I know I have some pictures I never want to look at again, although nothing on this scale.
As someone who watched the second plane hit live on CNN, it was... hard. People who weren't alive or were otherwise busy that morning don't remember the uncertainty after the first plane. Everyone thought it was an accident. No one could conceive it was a deliberate strike. Everyone knew terrorists hijacked airplanes to fly to third world countries, not to commit suicide into buildings. That cognitive dissonance all…
Cognitive dissonance even for people who missed it. At the time I was in my early twenties, started my day late, and usually didn't check news until after getting a little bit of work done. When I got to work, nobody else was there, which was weird. There was a TV on an AV cart in the middle of a hallway, also a bit weird. There was a note from the CEO saying that everyone was going home to be with their families. That also seemed a bit weird, but I shrugged it off. Our CEO was a family values guy, very Christian, and I had heard he used to lead prayers in the office when the company was smaller. (It didn't occur to me that it was a Tuesday and everybody's families should be at school or work.) So I sat down with my coffee and started working. After a while, at a time that I guess would have been close to noon in New York, I went to cnn.com, which came up as a primitive-looking site without any media, so I chuckled internally and took a screenshot, thinking CNN had been hacked. How could CNN let themselves get hacked! I skimmed over the headlines thinking that the hackers would have put in something political or humorous, but I didn't see anything like that, and started to think, okay, this is CNN's real content, so their web site got hacked or otherwise impacted by something, so they put up the text site while they recover. I starting thinking about what could have affected their site like that, and then it dawned on me that the top headline might have something to do with it.
I know others have been downvoted for saying this, but for me the shocking nature of it took a while to sink in. I had not had a chance to travel much yet at that point. I had been to New York City once, just like I had been to Europe once and seen London and Paris and Rome. I came from a small town in Texas and had a habit of thinking of all of those places as the "real world" where big real things happened, places that had diplomats and stock exchanges and famous universities and celebrities and, well, terrorist attacks. The 9/11 attacks didn't violate that sense of order. On a gut, emotional level, it was just a real world type thing happening in a real world type place. It took me a while to understand why people were reacting so differently.