Is it Open Hardware? Where are the schematics?
If not, is it really that different than a thinkpad?
Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world
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Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
Opening my Emacs config on a top i9 mbp takes an average of 3–4 seconds. On an M1: <1s.
Not to stir the eternal debate, but if my Vim config takes > 100ms, I start debugging what's going on/figuring out the responsible plugin. 3-4seconds would drive me insane :O
It's not really an issue for many, perhaps even most, emacs users. I have a my emacs set to launch when my window manager starts on login, after which it stays open until I log off or shut the computer down. Emacs and Vim have such different workflows that this type of comparison isn't all that meaningful.
Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world
#83Can someone who owns a framework tell me wether the lapthp provides methods for neutering the Intel backdoors(AKA IME)?
Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world
#84One of the members of my team ordered a Framework Laptop, the Professional edition, about 4 months ago to replace his old Lenovo. In the first week, he had battery drain issues. Even when he put it to sleep, it would drain the battery. He had to keep it plugged in at all times. He tried few distros (including the older version of Ubuntu they recommend) and the problems persisted. His screen also had issues and colors would slightly shift. I lent him my colorimeter and he said the monitor would lose calibration after several days. He also complained about trackpad not tracking his finger properly. In the end, he returned it. I think he said you have 30 days to return it.
Hope they fix these issues.
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the problem with trying to please power users. There is no monolithic bloc of them. They all want different things. AMD vs Intel? Touchscreens? Strong opinions about screen aspect ratio and resolution, keyboard layout, touchpads, wifi chipset brand, GPU brand, etc.? All there. I wish the company luck, but they are targeting the most picky consumer market there is.
Isn't this supposed to be a strength of framework? Their machines are pretty modular. Users should get to pick and choose AMD vs Intel, keyboard layouts, wifi chipsets without framework having to design different machines for each configuration.
This ends up with a laptop where nothing really works well because everyone has a completely different setup and issues come up with particular configs. The reason the macbook works so well right now is every single part was very carefully supported and designed to work together.
I used to be all in on the FOSS hardware train but at some point you just want to get some work done rather than debugging wifi drivers.
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not to stir the eternal debate, but if my Vim config takes > 100ms, I start debugging what's going on/figuring out the responsible plugin. 3-4seconds would drive me insane :O
Nah, that's fair. I've got about runs ls -l | wc -l 143 packages that I load. My Emacs config is pretty heavy. I keep trying to trim it down a bit. Though, sometimes I have edit sessions that last several weeks, so it's not that bit a deal. But still.
Two things. Emacs as a daemon! And. Emacs 28 native compilation. Absolute game changer for speed in a million ways. Scrolling a 5000 line python source file with all the packages, syntax highlighting, etc etc, is buttery smooth:
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
Everyone says that, but realistically, at the size of their company, I can't imagine they have the resources to design, test and support both Intel and AMD designs in parallel at the present. HW development is insanely capital intensive and they're far away from the resources of the likes of Asus and MSI, let alone Lenovo or Dell.
And then the posts will be "I'll order it once they build a custom ARM soc" :).
By the time they work that out, RISC-V will be the new trend.
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#88One of the members of my team ordered a Framework Laptop, the Professional edition, about 4 months ago to replace his old Lenovo. In the first week, he had battery drain issues. Even when he put it to sleep, it would drain the battery. He had to keep it plugged in at all times. He tried few distros (including the older version of Ubuntu they recommend) and the problems persisted. His screen also had issues and colors…
I've had the battery drain issues too, and it sucks bad. That said I remember seeing a fix a little while ago and I haven't had any issues recently. I run Fedora 35 though so my kernel stays pretty new. On Ubuntu you're gonna be stuck on an older kernel unless you install the newer one.
Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world
#89One of the members of my team ordered a Framework Laptop, the Professional edition, about 4 months ago to replace his old Lenovo. In the first week, he had battery drain issues. Even when he put it to sleep, it would drain the battery. He had to keep it plugged in at all times. He tried few distros (including the older version of Ubuntu they recommend) and the problems persisted. His screen also had issues and colors…
I am really excited about this laptop but I'm reading reviews like this a lot more now that they are delivering.
Their community forum has a lot of users asking for solutions for the problems you mentioned and even Linux compatibility issues.
I really hope they fix these issues too. A friend made a joke, which I find hilarious: "you can always replace all the parts that are failing, isn't that the point?".
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#90Can't wait for framework laptop to run Linux/Ubuntu stable (without battery drain issues) Then I'll be switching all the developers in our company over to a new machine. (Currently running XPS 13, but we are due an upgrade, especially on memory)
This is a point that people should remember if they're thinking about purchasing a framework. This is still very much beta hardware. The battery drain is annoying, it's around 30-50% per night depending on what addon cards you have. I've got a setup that puts it close to 40% per night so the laptop has to live on charger over night if I want to use it the next day. However, the thing that's really stopping me from us…
> The mac-book killer was very much hyperbole from paid reviewers.
Just because people have a different opinion than you doesn't mean they are hyperbolic paid reviewers. I love the trackpad, although I did have a minor issue out of the box where I had to click kind of hard toward the bottom center to get it to start working. I expect those things will go away as they get better. It's gotta be damn hard to put together such a complex hardware product.