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Re: Official Response: Request to Freeze Canadian Edge Users’ Accounts

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Post by margalabargala »

kennywinker wrote: post #34
margalabargala wrote: post #14

When this protest started, people were complaining that the government was approaching the protest with relative tolerance compared to things like pipeline protests. Well, now protestors are being arrested and their accounts being frozen. They're no longer being treated nicely compared to environmental protestors. While I don't agree with their stance, I do think that "we should not have a vaccine mandate" is a valid…

> now protestors are being arrested Environmental protesters are FREQUENTLY arrested, so if you’re upset about these arrests at least have the decency to also be upset about these ones last year: https://thenarwhal.ca/rcmp-arrests-wetsuweten-media-photos/

I think a rereading of my comment would show that I am, indeed, upset about the arrest of environmental protestors.

My point being that I am upset about the arrest of protestors in general; those, these, and others, and think that the arrest of people who are not hurting people should be celebrated approximately never.

Re: Official Response: Request to Freeze Canadian Edge Users’ Accounts

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Post by polski-g »

voisin wrote: post #80
polski-g wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edge is not a Canadian corporation. They are not Canadian citizens. If Canada wants them to do something, they should get a US Court order.

For a counter example: the US imposition of its FATCA law on every financial institution on the plant regardless of domicile, without compensation for the costs of enforcement.

The US provides naval security for the entire world and controls access to SWIFT banking codes.

What does Canada do for the world?

Re: Official Response: Request to Freeze Canadian Edge Users’ Accounts

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Post by vba616 »

liaukovv wrote: post #11
shamiln wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do explain

Emergency is the favourite tool of tyrants

According to Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_emergencies_i...

...in the US, there are ~40 (after counting the green squares twice it seems there are now 41) ongoing "national emergencies" declared since the passage of the "National Emergencies Act" in 1976.

The oldest one seems to be from 1979 and involve sanctions on Iran from the hostage crisis.

Biden has declared five emergencies; Trump declared nine (that haven't ended), Obama also declared nine (again ignoring ones that ended), GWB declared eleven, net, Clinton declared six, net, and surprisingly all emergencies between 1979 and 1994, roughly did come to an end.

Regardless of what one thinks of it, it's curious that for a couple of decades, the norm was for emergencies in the US to end and now it's not.

Re: Official Response: Request to Freeze Canadian Edge Users’ Accounts

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Post by unfocussed_mike »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #75
unfocussed_mike wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Asset seizure is a big step, I agree. They should just cut off their mobile data. Going without Joe Rogan podcasts and Jordan Peterson tweets will eventually hit hard.

> They should just cut off their mobile data. I understand that one of them has a Starlink dish set up on his truck.

Is he the guy who is responsible for distributing the bitcoin?

https://web3isgoinggreat.com/?id=2022-02-14-2

Re: Official Response: Request to Freeze Canadian Edge Users’ Accounts

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Post by tpoacher »

grzm wrote: post #66
tpoacher wrote: post #60

Serious question: how does content get flagged in HN? I'm assuming it's a case of "if enough users flag a topic", but is there a moderator involved at all? Can a topic get 'unflagged' once flagged? Could this system be abused by planted shills who coordinate 'flagging' when something is posted that is detrimental to a company? I read the post, I see people's point here that responding with a meme is perhaps not appro…

See the FAQ ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html ), in particular: > How are stories ranked? > The basic algorithm divides points by a power of the time since a story was submitted. Comments in threads are ranked the same way. > Other factors affecting rank include user flags, anti-abuse software, software which demotes overheated discussions, account or site weighting, and moderator action." and > What does […

Thanks gzrm!

So effectively a single normal user can flag a submission. Interesting.

Re: Official Response: Request to Freeze Canadian Edge Users’ Accounts

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Post by grzm »

tpoacher wrote: post #85
grzm wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See the FAQ ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html ), in particular: > How are stories ranked? > The basic algorithm divides points by a power of the time since a story was submitted. Comments in threads are ranked the same way. > Other factors affecting rank include user flags, anti-abuse software, software which demotes overheated discussions, account or site weighting, and moderator action." and > What does […

Thanks gzrm! So effectively a single normal user can flag a submission. Interesting.

Depends on what you mean by "a single normal user can flag a submission". Any user with sufficient karma (30-odd?) can click "flag". The number of flags a submission has will affect its ranking, and with a sufficient number of flags, the [flagged] tag will appear.

Note that other actions (including voting on the submission, and commenting/participating in the discussion) also affect ranking (according to the FAQ).

Re: Official Response: Request to Freeze Canadian Edge Users’ Accounts

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Post by voisin »

polski-g wrote: post #82
voisin wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a counter example: the US imposition of its FATCA law on every financial institution on the plant regardless of domicile, without compensation for the costs of enforcement.

The US provides naval security for the entire world and controls access to SWIFT banking codes. What does Canada do for the world?

What on earth does naval security have to do with banking laws?

Take your argument a few steps further. Because of the naval security, should the US have the right to restrict abortion elsewhere in the world because a large portion of its population feels religiously inclined to enforce this?

My point is: Countries are supposed to be sovereign. Canada has no more right to enforce these laws beyond its border than the US does FATCA.

Re: Official Response: Request to Freeze Canadian Edge Users’ Accounts

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Post by kennywinker »

chickenimprint wrote: post #78
Beltalowda wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the given rationale behind it? I didn't really follow the news on this very closely as it's very far removed from my part of the world, but can't they just walk up to the protestors and say "knock it off mate, or we'll arrest ya"?

They are able to freeze assets suspected of being used to fund criminal activity. This only applies to the corporate accounts of the owners of the trucks and the millions of dollars raised by mostly US-based anti-vaxxers. If Antifa activists were to recieve 6 figures from mostly Chinese communists with the express intent to use those funds to cause economic damage, some of the commentators here might react differentl…

I don’t actually care which country wants to fund anti-facism. If you’re not anti-fascism, you’re the problem.

And before anyone hit’s the “i’m not anti-anti-fascist, i’m anti-antifa” there IS no antifa. You can’t join antifa, you can’t donate to antifa, they don’t give out member cards. It’s just a name people who are anti-fascism apply to themselves.

Re: Official Response: Request to Freeze Canadian Edge Users’ Accounts

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Post by rdsnsca »

margalabargala wrote: post #14

When this protest started, people were complaining that the government was approaching the protest with relative tolerance compared to things like pipeline protests. Well, now protestors are being arrested and their accounts being frozen. They're no longer being treated nicely compared to environmental protestors. While I don't agree with their stance, I do think that "we should not have a vaccine mandate" is a valid…

The vaccine mandate is only one of their complaints, the other is they want the government to resign so they can appoint another. THAT is why Trudeau won't talk to them and also why the emergency act was used.

Re: Official Response: Request to Freeze Canadian Edge Users’ Accounts

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Post by polski-g »

voisin wrote: post #87
polski-g wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US provides naval security for the entire world and controls access to SWIFT banking codes. What does Canada do for the world?

What on earth does naval security have to do with banking laws? Take your argument a few steps further. Because of the naval security, should the US have the right to restrict abortion elsewhere in the world because a large portion of its population feels religiously inclined to enforce this? My point is: Countries are supposed to be sovereign. Canada has no more right to enforce these laws beyond its border than the…

You should read up on the golden rule: he who has the gold makes the rules. It doesn't matter what's fair It doesn't matter what's hypocritical. "Sovereign rights" don't matter. The only thing that matters is your ability to project power. China has it. America has it. Canada does not.
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