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25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by _nickwhite »

It would be great to see ISPs in the USA, even rural or municipal ISPs begin offering this.

The biggest issue I see with doing this (for residential users) is the fiber handoff. For 25Gbit, the very minimum is going to be a SFP28 module with an LC connector. The linked Init7 article is a bit light on details, but consumer grade hardware is not even close to that that in 2022. (SFP Ports OR the packet processing power to move that much traffic!)

Maybe the OTO Init7 installs on the house breaks it out into multiple 1Gbit or 10Gbit links to be more compatible? Even then, in the USA, basic SFP+ 10Gbit fiber, (inside the house) is rare in a residential setting. (Most fiber-based ISPs in the USA provide a 1Gbit copper uplink inside the house.)

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by dcow »

was_a_dev wrote: post #75
dcow wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a 1G symmetric line and with a fast enough disk write setup I can hit ~108MB/s for Steam downloads and still be on video calls and stream content simultaneously (different people usually). It’s definitely not wasted for us.

From what I can tell, with Steam, I limited by the datacenter itself. I have friends in my local area, and also nearer the same datacenter, all on much higher bandwidths and write speed, but still hit 10Mbps at best. Saying that, I am no Steam power-user. Most games will be At this point, I have no services or use cases for anything faster.

Symmetric 1G also lets you run services legit out of your home which is nice occasionally.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by notimetorelax »

zokier wrote: post #70

I got a feeling that any service not sitting behind a major CDN would struggle to feed more than handful of 25Gbit/s clients. That is maybe the biggest reason I feel >1Gbps for consumers at this point is kinda dubious prospect.

You can think of it differently - multiple people in your household can access different services or multiple 4K streams without interfering with each other.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by lazide »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #53

25 Gbit sounds nice, but even my 1 Gbit line is mostly wasted. I use a Raspberry Pi as my torrent box which seems to cap out at 7 MB/sec write speed. Even Steam tends to only download at 30-50 MB/sec most of the time. People tend to grossly overestimate how much bandwidth they need, especially non-technical people. Even a 100 Mbit connection is more than capable of letting a family of five all stream Netflix at the s…

The limiting factor for me is usually uplink speed, especially when moving media around or dealing with backups. I can easily saturate 1G (up) right now, but I’m stuck with crappy xfinity with max uplink speed of 40Mb(bits)/sec. That’s on their highest plan, in the heart of Silicon Valley.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by dcow »

_nickwhite wrote: post #81

It would be great to see ISPs in the USA, even rural or municipal ISPs begin offering this. The biggest issue I see with doing this (for residential users) is the fiber handoff. For 25Gbit, the very minimum is going to be a SFP28 module with an LC connector. The linked Init7 article is a bit light on details, but consumer grade hardware is not even close to that that in 2022. (SFP Ports OR the packet processing power…

MikroTik has a sub $500 unit that supports SFP28: CCR2004-1G-12S+2XS. It’s getting close.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by andrewnicolalde »

bauruine wrote: post #47
sidpatil wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you're wiring a home today, I would 100% use OS2 over CatN unless you also need PoE. Won't you end up with a bunch of media converters everywhere though?

A dualport 10 Gbit/s SFP+ PCI-E card with an optic is like 25$ on ebay.

What about things like my AppleTV? I’d probably run both

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by samstave »

Youden wrote: post #23
sschueller wrote: post #20

The reason this is available for this price in every house in the city of Zürich is because of a law that passed requiring every house to have fiber. The infrastructure is operated by the power and phone company and any service provider can use this fiber. I hope the whole of Switzerland will do something similar because there are still a lot of places without good internet and fiber is quite future proof. Home offic…

It's not just the city of Zürich, Adliswil has it too, at the very least. I believe Init7 leases fibre from Swisscom in other locations. My understanding is that federal law requires Swisscom to give access to its infrastructure to other companies for a fair price.

Gee... wouldnt it be cool if the USA paid telecoms $400,000,000,000 to build out said infra?

Oh wait..

The Book Of Broken Promises: $400 Billion Broadband Scandal And Free The Net

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-book-of-broken-promis_b_5...

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by jerf »

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #10

I have 1gbps. I had to get a decent router. Cheap home routers can't handle it even when they outright claim they can. You also want something better than cat5 for home wiring. Lastly spinning hard drives wont keep up on sustained reads/writes you need an SSD. The above is things you should do when you have 1gbps in order to actually get those speeds. I know people will argue citing 640k being enough for everyone and…

"I know people will argue citing 640k being enough for everyone and have some edge case that needs this but.... 25gbps is overkill."

There is actually a semi-reasonable case for there being a limit on useful bandwidth for most purposes. Exact numbers are hard to come by for many reasons both obvious and subtle but around 25gpbs you're getting to the point that with reasonable compression you can saturate a human's entire sensorium with retina-quality video, full audio, touch, proprioception, etc.

While there are use cases that exceed that, like running a search across the entire locally-stored output of the Large Hadron Collider, you're certainly getting to the point where the applications are getting more and more specialist relative to the average person sitting in their home, no matter how exotic the the requirements. I mean we're literally talking about having enough data bandwidth to stream your next-next-next-next-gen VR system a holodeck-like experience for you.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by dcow »

If you turn on nerd mode, they offer /48 IPv6 prefixes to customers as a standard feature. That means they have a true /32. Most consumer IPv6 infra, if it exists at all, is /60 or /56 which really is kinda measly.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by m4rtink »

digitallyfree wrote: post #12

I would expect such a service to ban hosting services on the "private" plan, or have strict conditions on what is considered acceptable use. However I see nothing of that sort in their contracts with the exception of this line in their Contractual Conditions. "3. Fair Use Policy The Internet subscriptions for private customers are intended for normal personal use. Init7 reserves the right to temporarily or permanentl…

Um, why ? Are centralized cloud providers the only ones allowed to run Internet services now or what ?
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