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The Day AppGet Died (2020)

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Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

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Post by aranchelk »

electroly wrote: post #64
alias_neo wrote: post #7

I've read this several times before, and every time I do it hurts just as much. Every time I read of another person who built something useful, so much so that it gets recognised by big-corp X, and being called in by Google or Microsoft, promised the recognition (and pay) they deserve, then having the rug pulled at light-speed from under them, I take it personally. I'm amazed, every time I read "The Day AppGet Died"…

> Keivan should probably be a (multi) millionaire now, sitting comfortably with his family doing whatever it is they enjoy doing. Instead, someone at Microsoft used this as a way to get themselves a promotion. To be fair, AppGet was never really that popular, and Microsoft's replacement is even less so. I'd be surprised if anyone got a promotion based on their WinGet work. There has been no significant adoption of Wi…

> it's fairly clear to me that the author failed the interview

I’m not so sure. The interview could have been a pretense to get more information, e.g. strategy for future development.

Also, in a sufficiently machiavellian environment, candidates can easily “fail” interviews by just seeming smarter than the hiring manager, scaring that manager into thinking they’ll be leapfrogged.

Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

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[deleted] wrote: post #76
alias_neo wrote: post #7

I've read this several times before, and every time I do it hurts just as much. Every time I read of another person who built something useful, so much so that it gets recognised by big-corp X, and being called in by Google or Microsoft, promised the recognition (and pay) they deserve, then having the rug pulled at light-speed from under them, I take it personally. I'm amazed, every time I read "The Day AppGet Died"…

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Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

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Post by andix »

I don’t get why he was so upset about it. Microsoft didn’t want to accept his offer. But still WinGet is not as good as AppGet. So if he just had kept going his way with AppGet, maybe WinGet would have never gotten any traction. Like a lot of projects, Microsoft more or less abandoned WinGet right away. You still can’t do „winget update“ and update all your installed packages. For me one of the main features of a package manager.

Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

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Post by Shared404 »

CRConrad wrote: post #80
Shared404 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cold reality is that even 5-year old kids know what sort of company MSFT is and what sort of people work for them. Mate, 80% of college students don't know that. Source: Work at a computer repair shop and see shocked faces.

Then again most five-year-olds seem smarter than most college students.

I dunno.

They're both larval stages, just different ones.

As far as knowing about the workings of a company, I'd definitely bet on the college student. The observation in my other comment applies to general adults as well.

Ok I'll stop taking the joke too seriously now :P .

Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

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Post by notriddle »

transfire wrote: post #9

What open source license did AppGet use? Seemed to me we need some carefully worded clause that help provide some compensation if something like this happens. But M$ should be ashamed of themselves for not at least offering some compensation.

It didn’t matter what license he used, because Microsoft reimplemented it from scratch anyway.

Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

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Post by CRConrad »

a2tech wrote: post #5

Don’t ever forget that at its core Microsoft is still the same company we grew up with. Just because they’re singing sweet songs now doesn’t mean they’re fundamentally different. I know that there are a lot of developers on here that disagree with me and are all in on the ‘new’ Microsoft. I can’t change your mind. Ive watched Microsoft since the early 90s though and they’ve never really changed—-and buying GitHub and…

There are still a few of us who remember; I've tried posting responses here when the Nadella Kool-Aid gets too thick. But on the whole, kids nowadays -- even on here -- are far too easily impressed by superficial "Internet and Open Source-friendly" bling-bling BS.

(Geroffmylawn, punks.)

Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

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Post by CRConrad »

electroly wrote: post #64
alias_neo wrote: post #7

I've read this several times before, and every time I do it hurts just as much. Every time I read of another person who built something useful, so much so that it gets recognised by big-corp X, and being called in by Google or Microsoft, promised the recognition (and pay) they deserve, then having the rug pulled at light-speed from under them, I take it personally. I'm amazed, every time I read "The Day AppGet Died"…

> Keivan should probably be a (multi) millionaire now, sitting comfortably with his family doing whatever it is they enjoy doing. Instead, someone at Microsoft used this as a way to get themselves a promotion. To be fair, AppGet was never really that popular, and Microsoft's replacement is even less so. I'd be surprised if anyone got a promotion based on their WinGet work. There has been no significant adoption of Wi…

> it's fairly clear to me that the author failed the interview.

What's important here is how he "failed the interview": He was probably never going to pass it. They'd already "failed" him beforehand for being an Open Source freak; the whole charade was just to string him along.

Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

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Post by arepublicadoceu »

CRConrad wrote: post #77
arepublicadoceu wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd be surprised if anyone got a promotion based on their WinGet work. There has been no significant adoption of WinGet in the market. Because it's an terrible implementation of a package management. Don't get me wrong, it's better than nothing but still... For instance: - we can't pin packages (there's an open issue for God knows how long) Problem with that is that if you do "winget upgrade --all" it will upgrade…

> Problem with that is that if you do "winget upgrade --all" it will upgrade all your programs even those that you don't want to upgrade. The alternative is simply upgrading one by one. Well, TBF, that's exactly what "winget upgrade --all" sounds like it should do.

Every Linux package manager that I use have an option to hold one or more packages from upgrading. It’s common sense that one or more piece of software might break on update and the user should be able to hold it until a fix arrive. Even arch where it’s heavily discouraged to do partial upgrades have an option to pin packages.

What winget upgrade —-all *should* do is to follow this common sense and do a upgrade all /minus package that the user choose not to upgrade.

Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

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Post by hobo_mark »

causi wrote: post #35
zidad wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can just try it out here from the browser if you like: https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/cognitive-service...

That's a good demo, but it isn't much use for making audio content from ebooks.

Transcribing an entire ebook this way is going to be _expensive_.
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