Apparently according to many in this thread animal rights trump disabled peoples rights.
Just so we’re clear that’s what we’re talking about.
15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
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Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think that you'll learn that besides haters, nobody cares about the failures. Or hit rate. Only about the successes. And Elon's had such huge ones that he can keep trying for more.
He made some electric cars. They're pretty cool when they're not trying to murder. And some low-orbit satellite internet that should help connect some remote areas. The successes are genuinely massively overstated. He's a marketer, and a good one. A P.T. Barnum type.
“Some” electric cars? They made roughly 1 million of them this past year, 80% more than the previous year.
Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
A billionaire who doesn’t give two shits about money and lives in a box, who is looking at technologies to make paraplegics be able to walk again or even communicate. For some reason your attitude is very sceptical for no reason. I imagine you want to dismantle capitalism too while you’re at it?
Interesting jumps you make. Why should I want to dismantle capitalism? I have no qualms with people making money. I like to make money myself. As long as I treat others fairly and take care of others, why shouldn't I be compensated for that? I think in the end it comes down to values. I believe in things like ensuring that my negative impact on this world is as little as possible. While I try to maximize the positive…
Why do you think he doesn’t take these protocols into account? Based on the word of a newspaper? Did anyone even say this?
You are assuming bad intentions without any proof or response from the accused.
Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
#84The article felt a bit flat. Surely there's no such thing as "oops, monkey died, let me just grab the next one off the shelf". There's no real reporting into the why or how, just uncritical repeating of the complaint that the neuralink research is dangerous / unethical. The reporting is so flimsy that one starts to look at the page and ask "wait, what site am I on anyway?" Hmm, I wonder what sort of bias a site calle…
Regardless of where the news was reported in the original post, the only thing of importance is whether or not it's true. Did you check some of the original sources? https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/extreme-suffering-15-23-... https://nypost.com/2022/02/10/elon-musks-neuralink-allegedly... This is worth looking into. First, it's using Tesla drivers as guinea pigs for automation. Then some strange experiments with…
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Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm suffering through learning to code again without much use of my hands. I would very much like Neuralink to be a thing.
Anywhere that I can read more about this? How do you do the coding? Feet? Something else? Very cool - definitely an a11y area I don't really think about
legs are messed up too. I use voice and eye tracking with talon and cursorless and a tree-sitter extension I wrote that enables different command grammars based on where the cursor is, and syncs the vocab list with the symbols in scope.
Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
#86Trolley problem. I wish most Neuralink detractors would even attempt to understand the problem scope, trade-off, and everything that's at stake here in our lifetimes. "Elon Musk wants more $" is such a brain-dead take. The reasoning behind Neuralink is explained here: https://waitbutwhy.com/2017/04/neuralink.html#part4 TL;DR Some of the smartest people in the world consider AGI an existential threat and Neuralink is…
Supposing for the sake of argument that I accepted this premise, you would still have to demonstrate that it's not feasible to do this research humanely. We have been successfully implanting hardware in humans heads for a long time, at minimum we should be doing it equally carefully with these animals and reversibly.
Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair, it's easy for us to sit here and dismiss research into brain implants while we have full use of our bodies and are fit and healthy. On the other hand, people who have suffered horrific injuries likely feel quite differently about the research. While what's allegedly happening to the animals is horrible, let's just be clear that "self gain goal disguised as scientific research" is a highly subject take. No…
I'm suffering through learning to code again without much use of my hands. I would very much like Neuralink to be a thing.
Out of genuine curiosity, without wishing to seem challenging, and appreciating that engaging in lengthy conversation online might be difficult for you... I wonder if other technologies might come to market quicker.
Frankly, I wonder if neuralink will come to market at all, and how affordable and accessible it will be. I can't imagine someone without the use of their limbs in a developing nation benefiting from neuralink ever, for example.
Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair, it's easy for us to sit here and dismiss research into brain implants while we have full use of our bodies and are fit and healthy. On the other hand, people who have suffered horrific injuries likely feel quite differently about the research. While what's allegedly happening to the animals is horrible, let's just be clear that "self gain goal disguised as scientific research" is a highly subject take. No…
I'm suffering through learning to code again without much use of my hands. I would very much like Neuralink to be a thing.
But are you comfortable torturing other entities for your personal gain?
That’s pretty much what this comes down to.
Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
#89"Neuralink chips were implanted by drilling holes into the monkeys’ skulls. One primate developed a bloody skin infection and had to be euthanized. Another was discovered missing fingers and toes, “possibly from self-mutilation or some other unspecified trauma,” and had to be put down. A third began uncontrollably vomiting shortly after surgery, and days later “appeared to collapse from exhaustion/fatigue.” An autops…
We allow poor people to mine tiny bits of gold by burning (boiling?) off mercury, poisoning themselves, their family, and the whole ecosystem, as their nervous systems degenerate like a slow form of torture. This is tame. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/28/climate/amazon-forest-mer...
Not to mention more than 80% of gold use is superficial. Majority of it is held in banks and reserves.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/299609/gold-demand-by-in...