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Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by samwillis »

unfocussed_mike wrote: post #39

I am puzzled that he really appears to find it funny. I am a long-time Mac user and I find myself fervently hoping that Apple has made the completely unnecessary self-own that will finally help people forget the whole keyboard fiasco. This is the most staggering example of deliberate, bad-faith arrogance that they could have come up with. If Apple is now the kind of business that joyfully thumbs its nose at regulator…

> I am puzzled that he really appears to find it funny.

It's possible to find something funny and be highly critical of it at the same time. Laughing at something outrageously bad is a pretty standard reaction.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by FridayoLeary »

iam-TJ wrote: post #54
FridayoLeary wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue with the app store is there's a clear conflict of interest. Also it restricts users freedom.

A 'nit' about your phraseology - not aimed at you but at what has become 'received' usage. I always take care to replace "users freedom" with "OWNERS freedom" in my conversations since so many people seem to have forgotten the distinction. Relatedly, I talk about "computer operators" not "computer users" to try remind people of this important distinction.

Do you 'own' the OS or do you 'use' it?

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by [deleted] »

breakfastduck wrote: post #76
unfocussed_mike wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I buy an iPhone, I buy an iPhone using a third party payment provider. Apple do not smirk and infer that those payments are made through a provider they don't control. They take my money. They aren't just being "very clear", they are thumbing their nose at the regulator, and joyfully pissing in customer and developer chips as they do so. They are trolling the process. That is very clear.

So devs should be able to bypass desired features of iOS and not alert the user that they're doing so? Becuase if I wasnt informed, and they took a subscription that I was then unable to cancel in 1 click from my iCloud subscription settings, I would be very annoyed. Shady.

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Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by goblin89 »

dessant wrote: post #45
causi wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple would not let them charge one price for App Store payments and another price for external payments.

A store cannot dictate how much you charge for a product at a different retailer, and they have no right to interfere with your business activity, and the agreements you have with a different distributor.

> A store cannot dictate how much you charge for a product at a different retailer

Isn’t this exactly what is happening everywhere you see “we price match!” or “low price guarantee”?

Platforms can and do require sellers to provide the lowest price, and take whatever measures including offing violators from the platform if this means they suffer losses every time a buyer does their research.

Not even mentioning exclusivity clauses, which are very much legal and very much dictate your relationship with other distributors.

I’m not saying Apple is doing that, but there are so many precedents that I doubt this practice is illegal.

> they have no right to interfere with your business activity

If you choose to do business with them, they are literally taking part in your business activity. No one made you sign the contract (presumably you have done so in expectation of benefitting from the platform, which would attract users to you since its owner develops products that users want). Calling this “interference” is nonsensical.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by lozenge »

breakfastduck wrote: post #76
unfocussed_mike wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I buy an iPhone, I buy an iPhone using a third party payment provider. Apple do not smirk and infer that those payments are made through a provider they don't control. They take my money. They aren't just being "very clear", they are thumbing their nose at the regulator, and joyfully pissing in customer and developer chips as they do so. They are trolling the process. That is very clear.

So devs should be able to bypass desired features of iOS and not alert the user that they're doing so? Becuase if I wasnt informed, and they took a subscription that I was then unable to cancel in 1 click from my iCloud subscription settings, I would be very annoyed. Shady.

They could add an API where the app registers a subscription (or link) into the iCloud subscription settings page, they just don't want to.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by tremon »

amcoastal wrote: post #74
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Planned obsolescence is the entire backbone of the American economy Your response to a comment about decades-old cars still working is to pitch a planned-obsolescence conspiracy theory?

Let me know if your 2011 car lasts 20 years.

So you're betting on Hacker News still being here in 2031? How come you're so sure this site doesn't fall under the great obsolesence plan?

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by mcphage »

unfocussed_mike wrote: post #55
FridayoLeary wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why don't we buy their security concern? We then declare the App Store a utility and divorce it from Apple entirely. Pay Apple off and have it run as a non-profit supported by a minimal tax from Apple and developers.

Apart from the fact that almost nobody could afford to pay them off! (FWIW, I have always thought that media companies should collectively buy Twitter and run it as a utility)

> I have always thought that media companies should collectively buy Twitter and run it as a utility

That's a pretty good analogy—twitter is to media companies, as power plants are to power companies.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by unfocussed_mike »

samwillis wrote: post #81
unfocussed_mike wrote: post #39

I am puzzled that he really appears to find it funny. I am a long-time Mac user and I find myself fervently hoping that Apple has made the completely unnecessary self-own that will finally help people forget the whole keyboard fiasco. This is the most staggering example of deliberate, bad-faith arrogance that they could have come up with. If Apple is now the kind of business that joyfully thumbs its nose at regulator…

> I am puzzled that he really appears to find it funny. It's possible to find something funny and be highly critical of it at the same time. Laughing at something outrageously bad is a pretty standard reaction.

This is like sharing popcorn when the playground bully picks on a kid you don't like.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

dariosalvi78 wrote: post #13

I wonder what's their reasoning here, it is obvious that this is will not satisfy anybody. Are they buying time? Or do they want to show that they are above everybody and don't try to mess with us (except if you're China of course)? We used to hate Microsoft for much less than this. I wonder how Apple can still have so many fans, even on this forum.

It's about running the clock. They know full well that requiring the extra modal and demanding a 27% tax on top runs flagrantly against the intent of the law.

But they both discourage people from introducing third party payments and continue to collect their cut while the government now has to start the enforcement process again, take them to court again, etc.

When the profit scheme is so good, you just want to keep it running as long as possible, and this does that. Most court appeals you'll see in each case sound incredibly stupid on their face and you wonder why they'd pay a lawyer to argue it... but it's just because legal proceedings take time. The profits they make are so obscene, and the fines they'll pay for it are minimal in comparison.

Apple and Google are just crooks, full stop.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by scarface74 »

causi wrote: post #32
colejohnson66 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their saga with the Play Store shows that that isn’t the case.[0] Once you allow third parties to use different stores, and those stores aren’t as restrictive, you bet businesses are gonna move there. The whole “if you like the App Store, just don’t use the others” doesn’t work in practice. See also: the whole Steam vs Epic issue on Windows. Should Apple open their store? Sure. But it’s not as cut and dry as people m…

Apple would not let them charge one price for App Store payments and another price for external payments.

Spotify did exactly this before they abandoned in app purchases. I believe Google does this for YouTube Premium.

Apple did have that policy for less than a year over 10 years ago.

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