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Re: Resistbot: Contact your officials by sending a text

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Post by slibhb »

slg wrote: post #74
slibhb wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is no solid evidence that voter id laws have any impact on voter fraud... Describing them as "anti-voter fraud laws" is literally true but dishonest and dishonesty is bad. Agreed. Republicans talking about widespread "voter fraud" are liars.

So why do you think these laws are “reasonable” to use your word if you admit that the primary reason people say we need them is a lie?

Requiring citizens to produce a photo id to vote is reasonable regardless of lies certain people tell to push the idea.

Similarly, a carbon tax is reasonable even though proponents lie and claim climate change will kill us all.

Re: Resistbot: Contact your officials by sending a text

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Post by slg »

slibhb wrote: post #81
slg wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So why do you think these laws are “reasonable” to use your word if you admit that the primary reason people say we need them is a lie?

Requiring citizens to produce a photo id to vote is reasonable regardless of lies certain people tell to push the idea. Similarly, a carbon tax is reasonable even though proponents lie and claim climate change will kill us all.

But you admit it doesn’t accomplish anything. It isn’t reasonable to create laws with no purpose.

Re: Resistbot: Contact your officials by sending a text

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Post by crackercrews »

riedel wrote: post #75
kangaroozach wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you name a single modern or western country that doesn’t require ID to vote? As tech people here, we understand the concept of authentication and KYC. Even India and Mexico, Canada, All of Europe require ID to vote. The only argument against ID to vote in order to ensure only eligible voters and only 1 vote, is blatantly political. And if it’s racist, then so too must be any form of ID based covid passport which…

Germany [1] [1] https://www-stuttgarter--nachrichten-de.translate.goog/inhal...

> If you have forgotten your voting notification, you must present your ID or passport.

This is a big difference from the US. In many states you can just walk in and say your name to get a ballot.

The Texas law that requires you bring something like a bank or utility bill is considered voter suppression by opponents. [1] But this is just the same as the German requirement to bring a mailed voter notification.

1: https://www.votetexas.gov/mobile/id-faqs.htm

Re: Resistbot: Contact your officials by sending a text

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Post by webmaven »

crackercrews wrote: post #84
riedel wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany [1] [1] https://www-stuttgarter--nachrichten-de.translate.goog/inhal...

> If you have forgotten your voting notification, you must present your ID or passport. This is a big difference from the US. In many states you can just walk in and say your name to get a ballot. The Texas law that requires you bring something like a bank or utility bill is considered voter suppression by opponents. [1] But this is just the same as the German requirement to bring a mailed voter notification. 1: http…

> The Texas law that requires you bring something like a bank or utility bill is considered voter suppression by opponents. [1] But this is just the same as the German requirement to bring a mailed voter notification.

It really isn't the same:

> An estimated 5.4 percent of U.S. households (approximately 7.1 million) were “unbanked” in 2019, meaning that no one in the household had a checking or savings account at a bank or credit union (i.e., bank).

From https://www.fdic.gov/analysis/household-survey/index.html

And that figure is only for entire households, there are more unbanked individuals, and it is very common for households to have adults that don't have any utilities in their name.

OTOH, a mailed notification only presupposes that an individual is on the rolls.

Re: Resistbot: Contact your officials by sending a text

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Post by crackercrews »

webmaven wrote: post #85
crackercrews wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you have forgotten your voting notification, you must present your ID or passport. This is a big difference from the US. In many states you can just walk in and say your name to get a ballot. The Texas law that requires you bring something like a bank or utility bill is considered voter suppression by opponents. [1] But this is just the same as the German requirement to bring a mailed voter notification. 1: http…

> The Texas law that requires you bring something like a bank or utility bill is considered voter suppression by opponents. [1] But this is just the same as the German requirement to bring a mailed voter notification. It really isn't the same: > An estimated 5.4 percent of U.S. households (approximately 7.1 million) were “unbanked” in 2019, meaning that no one in the household had a checking or savings account at a b…

You can also bring your TX voter registration. Or any check from the govt. Or any document from the govt with your name/address. Or any paycheck. Or various types of ID.

Re: Resistbot: Contact your officials by sending a text

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Post by xtiansimon »

MattGaiser wrote: post #45
slibhb wrote: post #41

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> Between January 1 and December 7, at least 19 states passed 34 laws restricting access to voting [1]. This should be a concern for any American citizen with the right to vote; don’t turn this into some politicized drama. It is a politicized drama. Voter id laws are reasonable, the majority of Americans think so, and calling them "restricted access to voting" is literally true but dishonest. "Resistbot" (from "the r…

Voter ID laws are perfectly reasonable, so long as people can easily obtain ID. That is not the case. https://225egw40g2k99t0ud3pbf2ct-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-...

Thank you for that link. Voter ID law seemed like a non-issue until I realized the problems which can arise obtaining an ID and keeping it up to date.

I can imagine lots of edge cases, like a senior citizen who doesn’t drive and has an expired ID. Is it still sufficient proof of identity? Should a voter be turned away?

I suspect these laws are most popular among young people and people who drive—-in other words, people who maintain their ID for other reasons.

Re: Resistbot: Contact your officials by sending a text

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Post by protomyth »

Trasmatta wrote: post #32
protomyth wrote: post #23

Calling the office or faxes work better than e-mail. I suspect a text is a lower tier than e-mail.

Do you have a source on that? Don't they pretty much all just feed into the same channels these days?

Talking to the people who assemble the reports for the congresscritters. Those folks have a strong BS detector, and tend to assign higher engagement with higher effort. Picking up a phone and calling tends to show more effort than a text.

Re: Resistbot: Contact your officials by sending a text

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Post by webmaven »

crackercrews wrote: post #86
webmaven wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Texas law that requires you bring something like a bank or utility bill is considered voter suppression by opponents. [1] But this is just the same as the German requirement to bring a mailed voter notification. It really isn't the same: > An estimated 5.4 percent of U.S. households (approximately 7.1 million) were “unbanked” in 2019, meaning that no one in the household had a checking or savings account at a b…

You can also bring your TX voter registration. Or any check from the govt. Or any document from the govt with your name/address. Or any paycheck. Or various types of ID.

All right. That's a much looser definition of "like a utility bill" than I assumed.

So, easier to comply with that I thought.

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