This, together the news that North Korea also has weaponized marine mammals, makes me more saddened than from the usual dismal news we hear. Even the primal innocent are being roped into our primate rivalries. It gets even worse, as each side in such an umderwater war will blast away every cetacean it detects, just in case.
Militarized Dolphins Protect Almost a Quarter of the US Nuclear Stockpile
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Re: Militarized Dolphins Protect Almost a Quarter of the US Nuclear Stockpile
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
A single sub can destroy the world any time it's commander wishes, not by launching 288 warheads at 288 cities, but by launching one warhead, at either Moscow, or Washington. Contingency plans for responding to a decapitating strike will do the rest.
So crazy to think that at any given time you have thousands of warheads targeting the pentagon so as to obliterate the place. Same to other strategic US and Russian places. I highly recommend the book Command and Control.
I really doubt that they have "thousands" of warheads targeting the Pentagon. At most a few hundreds but even that is an overestimate probably.
Not that the difference practically matters. You only need enough to saturate the defences plus one to cause a very bad day for everyone involved.
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#83"For protection against enemy divers, dolphins will swim up to the infiltrator, bump into them and place a buoy device on their back or a limb using their mouth. The buoy then drags the outed diver to the surface for easy capture." I mean come on, "enemy divers" will just kill the dolphins or avoid contact with them..
Visibility while diving can be super low and underwater weapons (mostly crossbows) are not that great. Also the dolphin is kind of a smarter shark and if you attack it's not out of the realm of possibility it will bite you in balls in retaliation.
It's not impossible the might be arming dolphins with guns too against armed divers.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
No doubt surreal, but a single sub destroy the world? That piqued my interest so took a quick look and found an article [1]. This article states that "even a single vessel [submarine] could reduce as many as 288 city-sized targets into radioactive ash in less than 30 minutes." Later in the article they say that the Ohio class is capable of carrying up to 24 UGM-133 Trident II D5 submarine launched ballistic missiles.…
A single sub can destroy the world any time it's commander wishes, not by launching 288 warheads at 288 cities, but by launching one warhead, at either Moscow, or Washington. Contingency plans for responding to a decapitating strike will do the rest.
It's crazy how so many people are terrified of civilians with powerful fully automatic weapons, while keeping eyes shut to the risk the military and state actors represent to society.
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#85This isn't exactly a secret or new information... it was pretty well known when I lived on the peninsula 10+ years ago (thus the username, Poulsbohemian...). There's a state park right near the Hood Canal bridge where it isn't uncommon to watch the submarines come and go in and out of the canal. Always a bit surreal to push your kids on the swings while watching a first strike weapon capable of destroying the world p…
No doubt surreal, but a single sub destroy the world? That piqued my interest so took a quick look and found an article [1]. This article states that "even a single vessel [submarine] could reduce as many as 288 city-sized targets into radioactive ash in less than 30 minutes." Later in the article they say that the Ohio class is capable of carrying up to 24 UGM-133 Trident II D5 submarine launched ballistic missiles.…
While your figures are likely correct for direct damage, it would most certainly destroy human civilization for several generations at minimum. Which is generally what is meant by "destroy the world", not that the planet would be literally destroy but rather human life as we know it would cease to exist.
Even if you survive the blast, and radiation, even if you are not impacted by the environmental disaster, every world government, every world economy, every thing about modern human life would collapse in fall of nuclear war. We have problems now because our trinkets from china are being delayed a few weeks off the shore... What happens when the supply chain is not simply slow, but instead is gone?
Re: Militarized Dolphins Protect Almost a Quarter of the US Nuclear Stockpile
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
No doubt surreal, but a single sub destroy the world? That piqued my interest so took a quick look and found an article [1]. This article states that "even a single vessel [submarine] could reduce as many as 288 city-sized targets into radioactive ash in less than 30 minutes." Later in the article they say that the Ohio class is capable of carrying up to 24 UGM-133 Trident II D5 submarine launched ballistic missiles.…
> But destroy the world? If by "world", it meant "human world", not "the planet", and your intention were to bring our civilization into total chaos, post-Roman-Empire-style, then you'd think that killing a billion people in just the right places would be a pretty good start.
This link definitely deserves to be referenced here: https://qntm.org/destroy
"You've seen the action movies where the bad guy threatens to destroy the Earth. You've heard people on the news claiming that the next nuclear war or cutting down rainforests or persisting in releasing hideous quantities of pollution into the atmosphere threatens to end the world.
"Fools.
"The Earth is built to last. It is a 4,550,000,000-year-old, 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000-tonne ball of iron."
Re: Militarized Dolphins Protect Almost a Quarter of the US Nuclear Stockpile
#87Well, I'm disappointed that they don't have "frikkin lasers" on their heads.
That would be the militarized sharks.
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#88Leave animals outside the d*mn wars, FFS. Good news about all this is that maybe, hopefully, powerful alien races are actually evaluating us and they'll treat us accordingly to our BS.
You are about 10,000 yeas late to the party. Horses and dogs have been used on war for about as long as humans have been fighting.
> Horses and dogs have been used on war for about as long as humans have been fighting
Domestication of horses is surprisingly recent [0] - perhaps only 6000 years ago - compared with fighting between humans, which likely goes back to before we were even human.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestication_of_the_horse
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are about 10,000 yeas late to the party. Horses and dogs have been used on war for about as long as humans have been fighting.
> Horses and dogs have been used on war for about as long as humans have been fighting Domestication of horses is surprisingly recent [0] - perhaps only 6000 years ago - compared with fighting between humans, which likely goes back to before we were even human. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestication_of_the_horse
6000 years ago is hardly recent. Cavalry is nothing new.
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#90> Since Bangor, Washington, now houses the largest single nuclear weapons site in the world, it needs protection from all sides, including the seaward side.
Well crap. I just can't seem to catch a break.
When I was a kid from ages 12 until I went away to college I lived within 3 miles of Castle Air Force Base and from ages 8-12 within 7 miles of it. Castle was home to a ton of B-52s and KC-135s and probably was a prime target in most all out nuclear war doomsday scenarios.
And now, many years later I'm within 5 miles of Bangor, which I'd guess is currently a prime target in that scenario (or in the North Korea tries to nuke the US scenario).