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IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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Post by mnd999 »

cube00 wrote: post #26

It will be interesting to see if self driving cars and the way they've been rushed to market with the same brute force marketing will meet a similar fate.

Self driving cars are just that, marketing. Tesla for all their hype have limited driver assist only and even Google who seem to have the most advanced offering only works in limited areas in good conditions and the dataset that drives it requires lots of maintenance. The general problem is too hard, and general practice has some of the same problems. Probably less adversarial data, but there’s still litigation to be had from confusing an AI GP. Or narcotics.

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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Post by rwbaskette »

nickysielicki wrote: post #48

I do not understand how IBM stays in business. As far as I’m concerned the only cool engineering thing IBM does anymore is POWER, which has a sort of unique memory architecture but otherwise is well behind everyone else. What else did they do in my lifetime? They took a profitable RedHat and gutted it, they took the best Laptop line and sold it to Lenovo and almost ruined it, they tried to be a front runner in ML but…

I don't suppose you remember the "IBM OS/2 Fiesta Bowl"?

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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Post by chromatin »

wiz21c wrote: post #24
saxonww wrote: post #14

I really expected that we'd see a change in my lifetime, that GPs in particular would be replaced by a lower-cost Watson descendant, with there being some other role for patient interaction, wet work, and data entry (perhaps just nurses). My mom worked for a GP for about 20 years, and it seemed to me that most of what made that guy a doctor was bedside manner + being able to remember a lot of things. But GPs often ma…

> bedside manner + being able to remember a lot of things My impression is that accompanying a patient is super important, it helps to understand illness, to have a plan in case of more complex treatments, etc. Then my doctor has the ability to know me and gauge my health. She's also very good at probabilities and detecting when something really goes wrong. I'm sure that being able to do that require a lot more than…

It also helps to have a relationship with a patient (or person).

There are some people who will never, ever complain about anything. When they complain of severe abdominal pain, for example, you pull out all the stops immediately to figure out what's wrong, because it's probably really bad.

On the other hand, there are hypochondriacs and people will low pain tolerance. While they can certainly also become seriously ill -- and one must never forget this -- the tempo and pace of workup and order of intervention is markedly different, absent other information that shifts the pretest probabilities.

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Post by jiscariot »

nickysielicki wrote: post #48

I do not understand how IBM stays in business. As far as I’m concerned the only cool engineering thing IBM does anymore is POWER, which has a sort of unique memory architecture but otherwise is well behind everyone else. What else did they do in my lifetime? They took a profitable RedHat and gutted it, they took the best Laptop line and sold it to Lenovo and almost ruined it, they tried to be a front runner in ML but…

I work in a role where half of our stuff is in IBM's cloud (for decisions made before my tenure). On a day in Mid-November, we started receiving alerts from our UAT and PROD environments. Logged in, all our stuff was gone. Opened a ticket and did some digging and found in our audit logs an IBM SRE had deleted all our stuff. They then told us there was no way to recover and we'd have to rebuild from scratch.

They had apparently been doing some "cleanup" and somehow our site number got on to a list. All our servers, attached volumes, subnets, load-balancers were deleted.

My boss and I spent the next 30 hours applying terraform and rebuilding anything not automated.

Would not recommend IBM Cloud. We are moving off in next 6 months.

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Post by fault1 »

DebtDeflation wrote: post #19
czbond wrote: post #3

What was the deal with this? Was it that the internal management team just mis-managed the product they had?

It wasn't a product. It was a business unit created by the acquisition of (at least) 4 separate companies that had wildly disparate products, data sets, and consulting teams. The only thing they had in common was the focus on healthcare (and even that could mean anything vaguely related to providers, payers, or life sciences). "Watson" in general evolved into little more than a branding that was applied to anything r…

It kind of sounds like a cautionary tale for other tech companies wading into the health space or medicine (e.g, calico, deepmind).

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Post by themanmaran »

nickysielicki wrote: post #48

I do not understand how IBM stays in business. As far as I’m concerned the only cool engineering thing IBM does anymore is POWER, which has a sort of unique memory architecture but otherwise is well behind everyone else. What else did they do in my lifetime? They took a profitable RedHat and gutted it, they took the best Laptop line and sold it to Lenovo and almost ruined it, they tried to be a front runner in ML but…

> Watson on Jeopardy

Marketing aside. Lets not forget how cool that was. It was a great public demonstation that AI / ML is possible now.

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Post by jiscariot »

vishnugupta wrote: post #70
nickysielicki wrote: post #48

I do not understand how IBM stays in business. As far as I’m concerned the only cool engineering thing IBM does anymore is POWER, which has a sort of unique memory architecture but otherwise is well behind everyone else. What else did they do in my lifetime? They took a profitable RedHat and gutted it, they took the best Laptop line and sold it to Lenovo and almost ruined it, they tried to be a front runner in ML but…

Last I heard they were dabbling in Blockchain. Atleast they were publicly making noise about it.

Marketed as Blockchain with Watson(TM) most likely.

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Post by laurent92 »

cnlwsu wrote: post #35
cube00 wrote: post #26

It will be interesting to see if self driving cars and the way they've been rushed to market with the same brute force marketing will meet a similar fate.

Self driving cars are not made by IBM. I wouldn’t consider their utter failure at everything they touch to be a sign that that AI field failed.

Yes. The IBM Rationale suite failed even though it wasn’t AI. It’s the IBM way they commercialize things by going to golf with execs which is the problem.
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