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Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Post by samstave »

arminiusreturns wrote: post #56
samstave wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine some group that duplicates Pegasus/NSO -- compromises it but sells it AS Pegasus/NSO to unsuspecting, less-savvy nation-states and effectively uses /IT/ to infiltrate/backdoor the intelligence/LEO ops of said customer state... Or is that what Pegasus/NSO basically already provide, as a feature?

Anyone interested in this should lookup the PROMIS scandal, which involved Ghislane Maxwell's father Robert Maxwell.

And dont forget to look into the Maxwell Twins - the sisters of Ghislane --> They made initial DB software for the intel community for "tracking financial fraud" and other tracking...

They sold this to .gov and supposedly it was in use in the early '00s - and it provided ostensibly access to tracking financial and human trafficking data..

Think of it as a precurser to palantir and such - and there was a bunch of shady shit around this.

Here is just one sketchy story about it:

https://oye.news/news/world-news/epstein-the-maxwell-sisters...

but apparently they made counter-terrorism software and that this software was in use in the US intel comm and that it was also compromised...

Regardless of the truth of how it was used - the fact that the most notorious human trafficking/blackmailing operation yet exposed was directly related to providing counter-terrorism software to the USG is.... interesting.

Google the maxwell twins.

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Post by mysterEFrank »

gambiting wrote: post #54
yonixw wrote: post #37

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Yep, like that disgusting incident on 2005 where they gave up their land... and their control... they are the worst. Who else is at fault to what happened in Gaza? The apartheid of curse. Disgusting! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaz...

Here's a massive list of crimes that Israel is quilty of, with sources, for your perusal: https://www.reddit.com/r/list_palestine/comments/l43xgk/mega...

This blames Israel for 9/11, what a joke.

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Post by tsimionescu »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #59
tsimionescu wrote: post #53

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There are few countries on Earth that have (a) directly officially threatened military action against another state, or (b) routinely bomb another state they are not officially at war with, the way Israel has. How are they not "taking aggressive military action"?

> (b) routinely bomb another state they are not officially at war with In what sense are we not officially at war with Palestine? Nobody ever signed an armistice, ceasefire, or peace deal to end the War of 1948. Nobody even wants to. The official policies of both the PLO and Hamas remain "struggle until victory". There are internal political reasons for this that any knowledgeable person can describe, but as far as a…

> In what sense are we not officially at war with Palestine?

In the literal sense. The territories that form Palestine and the West Bank today were part of Egypt and Jordan before the six-day war. Israel occupied these territories during the war, then signed peace treaties with the countries it defeated. The three Arab countries (including Syria) attempted to recapture their territories again in 1973, but failed, and peace treaties were again signed between all four countries involved.

In the meantime, people living in the territories occupied by the Israeli military forces continued their fight for freedom, as all occupied people do. They made some strides in this direction with the Oslo accords, where they gained official recognition as a separate country under their own authority.

While open hostility existed on both sides since the beginning, there has never been an official war declaration between the PLO and Israel. Both have been routinely attacking and killing civilians and destroying infrastructure in each other's country forma long time - though Israel now has a vast upper hand and the killing and destruction has become more and more one sided against the people of Palestine.

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Post by markdown »

yonixw wrote: post #61
gambiting wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a massive list of crimes that Israel is quilty of, with sources, for your perusal: https://www.reddit.com/r/list_palestine/comments/l43xgk/mega...

You do know this is a Conflict? Never denied both parties are fighting. Here is of course the counter list [1]. But while I'm just against the commenter one-siding of the situation. You are trying to make it a one-side crime again... which again... very wrong. Here is a quote just to show how not one sided it is: [1] "... A February 2008 suicide bombing that killed one Israeli woman in Dimona was supported by 77% and…

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Post by vkou »

jacobolus wrote: post #75
yonixw wrote: post #55

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Whataboutism has its limits. When the far left, specifically Tankies, and left communities online, are literally being China apologists while calling Israel a genocide-apartheid-colonial country... you kind of know the logic fallacies are the other way around.

It’s pretty absurd to declare that “tankies” (presumably meaning “Western European communist party members who explicitly supported the Soviet subjugation of Eastern Europe”) is co-extensive with “the far left”, when most of the left considered Soviet foreign policy abhorrent. Beyond that, here in the USA, I don’t know anyone who I would consider both a “China apologist” and a “leftist” (“far” or otherwise) – China h…

> Beyond that, here in the USA, I don’t know anyone who I would consider both a “China apologist”

Depending on who you're talking to, the bar to become a "China apologist" is not very high.

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Post by tsimionescu »

yonixw wrote: post #55
efdee wrote: post #44

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But isn't that just a roundabout way of describing whataboutism?

Whataboutism has its limits. When the far left, specifically Tankies, and left communities online, are literally being China apologists while calling Israel a genocide-apartheid-colonial country... you kind of know the logic fallacies are the other way around.

Can you point any fingers? I have not heard any of the positions you mention from any leftist place I frequent - not from Jacobin, not from leftist YouTube, not from any member of "the squad" or any other leftist member of Congress. Who exactly are you accusing of being anti-Israel but pro-China?

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Post by terr-dav »

ciphol wrote: post #62
terr-dav wrote: post #51

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All people residing in Israel do not have equal rights. Why do you think they have equal rights?

That's true in every country. Citizens and noncitizens have unequal rights.

Haha, what a huge oversight on my part, of course citizens and non-citizens have different rights.

One of the legal principles of Israel is:

> The right to exercise national self-determination in the State of Israel is unique to the Jewish people. [0]

There's also a legal path from citizenship to legal-residency, which I would surmise is used almost exclusively on non-Jewish citizens, as well as the blanket permission for all Jewish people (and no one else) to become citizens of Israel.

[0]https://www.timesofisrael.com/final-text-of-jewish-nation-st...

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Post by rougka »

stefan_ wrote: post #7
encryptluks2 wrote: post #3

This should surprise no one since the spyware was developed by Israeli intelligence agencies.

Domestic police working with intelligence services is called secret police, e.g. the Gestapo .

lol, you really went straight to the hyperbole

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Post by terr-dav »

mysterEFrank wrote: post #82
gambiting wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a massive list of crimes that Israel is quilty of, with sources, for your perusal: https://www.reddit.com/r/list_palestine/comments/l43xgk/mega...

This blames Israel for 9/11, what a joke.

Does it?

>(32) 5 Israelis working for an Israeli Company "Urban Moving" were arrested on 9/11 after being seen "documenting" (their own words during an Israeli interview) and celebrating the attack on the WTC. Owner of the company, Dominik Suter, fled to Israel after the incident. His name appeared on the May 2002 FBI Suspect List, along with the 9/11 hijackers and other suspected extremists. Israel has yet to extradiate him (2001):

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Post by tsimionescu »

yonixw wrote: post #61
gambiting wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a massive list of crimes that Israel is quilty of, with sources, for your perusal: https://www.reddit.com/r/list_palestine/comments/l43xgk/mega...

You do know this is a Conflict? Never denied both parties are fighting. Here is of course the counter list [1]. But while I'm just against the commenter one-siding of the situation. You are trying to make it a one-side crime again... which again... very wrong. Here is a quote just to show how not one sided it is: [1] "... A February 2008 suicide bombing that killed one Israeli woman in Dimona was supported by 77% and…

How many people have been killed by Palestinians in Israel since, say, 2011 (the last ten years?) How many has Israel killed in Palestine in the same time frame?

I will not even go into the difference between lone gunmen and state-sanctioned killings. Let's accept that any Palestinian killing an Isareli should be treated the same as an officer of the Israeli military or police, acting in their official capacity, killing a Palestinian. Even so, which way has the balance turned in the last 10-20 years?

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