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Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by rjbwork »

premun wrote: post #71
oblio wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, that doesn't sound right. You can't have multiple Word documents open at the same time in Windows 11?

You can, but there is just one icon to represent the group of windows of that given app. It's visually hard to tell when there's more than one and impossible to tell how many (there is a little border suggesting there's more). But it gets worse. If you have only 1 window with some app open (browser, terminal..), and this window has two tabs inside, clicking on the taskbar icon representing this window won't bring the…

YIKES! This is literally the one and only setting I change right when I install Windows. I'm glad I found out it's totally unsupported before I went and took the plunge on 11. I guess I'll either skip 11 or wait for the update that fixes some of this jank.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by deburo »

rvba wrote: post #59

Combining same files to taskbar is a productivity killer for both technical and non technical people. In many chats when someone presents something on screen I see people struggling to find the proper document when they have few open. Same for people who do "real" work: eg budget with 10 spreadsheets opened, or few word documents... the system hibders ability yo switch between them fast. It feels as if it was designe…

To me, ever since Windows introduced virtual desktops, that’s basically my main way to switch between documents. That and having multiple screens to show most of my windows all the time. The taskbar mainly becomes an app launcher. I’m surprised so many people here complaint about using the taskbar like in Windows XP.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by forgotmypw17 »

XCabbage wrote: post #63

> somebody at Microsoft edited a critical comment that I made earlier this week to simply read “hello there”, still under my name Moderators on web forums everywhere need to learn that this kind of editing, when done without a publicly visible indication that the post was edited against the nominal author's will, is unacceptable. I've gotten into this argument on Stack Exchange in the past (although fortunately on St…

It's unacceptable, but it is totally possible and allowed by the platform.

I think the solution is platforms which make this sort of editing impossible by using cryptographic signatures and user accounts backed by private keys.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by lucb1e »

luckman212 wrote: post #80
XCabbage wrote: post #63

> somebody at Microsoft edited a critical comment that I made earlier this week to simply read “hello there”, still under my name Moderators on web forums everywhere need to learn that this kind of editing, when done without a publicly visible indication that the post was edited against the nominal author's will, is unacceptable. I've gotten into this argument on Stack Exchange in the past (although fortunately on St…

Is that StackOverflow policy officially in writing somewhere? I had one of my answers edited by a mod not too long ago without any warning. Wasn't too happy about it.

Stackoverflow.com -> help -> search "editing" -> top hit: https://stackoverflow.com/help/editing

See the itemization of reasons to edit a post for. It also explicitly mentions that the meaning of the post may not be changed. You can, as the owner, also always roll back edits. Another option is to take it to the meta site and voice your complaint. One of the reject reasons in the review queue (note that moderator's edits don't go through the review queue) is if the edit changes the meaning of the post; the edit system is really meant (as the page says) for fixing typos and on occasion updating/adding information like if the post became outdated or to consolidate info from comments.

Everyone can also see the revisions of any (non-deleted) answers and questions, so if someone changed the meaning, it clearly says "person x edited this post" (right next to the original author's name) and you can click that link and see who actually said what.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by s-lambert »

premun wrote: post #71
oblio wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, that doesn't sound right. You can't have multiple Word documents open at the same time in Windows 11?

You can, but there is just one icon to represent the group of windows of that given app. It's visually hard to tell when there's more than one and impossible to tell how many (there is a little border suggesting there's more). But it gets worse. If you have only 1 window with some app open (browser, terminal..), and this window has two tabs inside, clicking on the taskbar icon representing this window won't bring the…

This sounds similar to the behaviour of Internet Explorer on Windows 10 (which always felt weird). If you have two tabs open in IE, they appear as two separate windows when clicking the icon in the taskbar. Edge behaves as expected where two tabs -> one window -> one click but it seems like they just regressed as a whole for Windows 11.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by bradwood »

Why do people, especially developers, give Microsoft the time of day with this? Life is to short to give a shit about them, their crappy software, and their bad moderation policies?

Vote with your wallet and get the fuck off Windows and all the attendant bullshit that comes with it as soon as possible.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by tasogare »

jka wrote: post #10
tasogare wrote: post #2

"We are listening to your feedback" is corporate speech for "we don't give a shit about your opinion" especially when Microsoft is involved.

I completely agree - and have similar thoughts about "we look forward to continuing the conversation" as a way to close down a discussion (possible translation: "it's lunch time and it's mac and cheese today! see ya"). However, assuming good intent: how would you determine whether they are listening? (or continuing the conversation, in the latter case)

Product release. For instance there is for years issue with C#'s GUI frameworks mainly the lack of a multiplateform one. Microsoft disregarded developer feedback on UWP (it was stupid to propose a Windows 10 only framework at a time Win7 was still dominant and tie it to a mean of delivery - the Windows store). About a decade later Microsoft remembered with dotnet 5 and 6 that WPF and WinForms are the frameworks people are actually using and they got some improvements.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by pndy »

I wouldn't be surprised if this is all about ExplorerPatch - this 3rd-party solution allows user to revert the "experience" of newest W11 taskbar and it's most likely an offence to Microsoft. Some devoted mod noticed comment done by Thomas and decided to act fast so no other people had a chance to test out valinet's workaround.

I expect that at some point in future, perhaps included within some W11 build that changes users workflow once again, the "never combine" taskbar feature will be added back and presented as a breakthrough.

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