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Re: YouTube crypto giveaway scams

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why did people ever fall for this?

greed

There are mentally challenged people in this world who deserve your sympathy when falling for scams. Do not scorn them for greed, a trait with which many are afflicted, regardless of mental capacity.

Re: YouTube crypto giveaway scams

#82
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Bring the scammer before a judge. The same as when anyone scams you out of cash or gemstones or electronics. "I put a ruby in a box and shipped it to Nigeria because an email told me to. How do I get it back?" It's not a new problem.

I think 100% irreversible purely online/digital transactions are a bit of a new problem? If you wire transferred money to a scammer's bank account it won't be easy getting it back, but if you realize your mistake soon enough you at least have a chance. For example, it's possible to to get the receiving bank to hold the money pending an investigation. With a crypto transfer there's no higher authority to appeal to. (w…

It's pretty much just "mail fraud, but on a computer." Banking transactions are the exception, not the rule. Most ordinary transactions aren't reversible by a central authority. You traded your baseball cards for some magic beans, well, enjoy your magic beans.

People intuitively understand that they shouldn't put a stack of twenties and hundreds in an envelope and hand it to a stranger in a ski mask who promises to pay it back with interest overnight.

But people have been taught that electronic money transfers are risk-free with chargebacks and insurance, so they think that if this is a scam, it'll be the bank's problem.

You wanted to be your own bank, guess who's problem it is now.

The real problem is that people don't understand that, so they do with their Bitcoin what they would never do with their jewelry.

Re: YouTube crypto giveaway scams

#83
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A family member lost $3k to this. YouTube promoted a real looking interview with the founder of ETH, high production value, saying they will double your ETH etc. When most of of crypto users are poor and less educated they tend to be targeted…

Yeah like crypto or not, why would you be paid instantly for doing nothing ? $3k is a month or more of work for most people, did that person really believe the world lied to him and instead of working a month, he could "double" it immediately ?

Seems insane, but it's essentially no different from any other kind of gambling. Suspecting that the game is fixed doesn't stop a lot of people from betting the house regardless.

Re: YouTube crypto giveaway scams

#84
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I've reported these on YouTube yet they're still being recommended to me hours later. Clearly they're incapable of moderating their own platform. What's it going to take for them to start taking this seriously?

Genuine question: Does anyone here have a good sense of how easy/hard it is to moderate a platform like YouTube? My sense is that the answer is VERY HARD, so I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt when things go wrong. But perhaps I’m being too generous. Is this something that could be prevented if YouTube just tried harder?

It's basically impossible to do it right - when you have such a wide audience, every single decision you make will upset potentially millions of people, be illegal/legal in some parts of the world, will impact both good and bad actors, etc. And you have to relay on automation a lot, as it's not cost effective to have meaningful review by humans.

But that brings obvious follow up question - should then such a big platform exist? IMO, even with all those problems - yes. Being able to easily share content with people around the world is and remove barriers for acquiring knowledge is a huge advancement. But I can totally see people disagree with that.

Re: YouTube crypto giveaway scams

#85

i haven't done my own analysis on this yet, but a lot of times the scammers will send funds to the scam accounts to make it look more legit. The elon musk youtube scammers are horrible people, but I'd be surprised if 200 million was the actual amount stolen

If they wanted to fake it they would fake outgoing transactions.

Re: YouTube crypto giveaway scams

#86

This seems like quite a low effort investigation that also just assumes all transactions are victims. My guess is that throughout the live stream they would have shills in the chat LARPING as genuine viewers sending their crypto and successfully receiving the reward, so a lot of the TXs would be from the scammers themselves used to fool other sheeple.

This could make sense if there were outgoing transactions but they are all incoming.

Re: YouTube crypto giveaway scams

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post #37

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>Ironically a smart contract is probably the safest way for a customer to engage in a doubling scam. Press F [0][1] to doubt. [0] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/12/hacke... [1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/poly-network-hackers-potential...

Are you just trying to say the smart contracts can have bugs in general? It's trivial to write a bug free money doubler smart contract. The logic needed is VERY simple.

If somebody is smart enough to verify that a smart contract does what it says on the tin, they should be more than smart enough to realise that crypto doubling is always going to be a scam.

Re: YouTube crypto giveaway scams

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So, when do enough scams on people choosing to participate go from being their problem, to society's problem? And when do we all start to have to pay for this at some point? Because I have a feeling we will, even though I have no idea why.

For example, drugs have a systemic effect on society, but crypto losses generally do not, so the reluctance to crack down on crypto scams unlike other crimes. Someone sending $50k to fake Saylor is not like 50k in the pockets of narco gangs.
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