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Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

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So Signal is missing a basic feature like location sharing and they chose to go ahead with implementing Stories. I guess they are focusing more on getting new users than making a great app. The thing is none of these centralized apps will ever get messaging right. Because no matter how good the intentions of the team are sooner or later the higher management or the PM wants to have bigger piece of cake. This in the e…

What is "location sharing"?

Sounds like people differ on what they consider to be "getting messaging right".

I was happy with TextSecure; all I ever wanted was encrypted SMS.

Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

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What I think keeps me and many of my friends in East Africa hooked on WhatsApp is the ability to post statuses (stories). It gives me a strong reason to come back to the app as it helps me with conversation starters. I frankly might love if signal has it.

You can post stories in WhatsApp? TIL, I had no idea. What other apps are common among you and your peers?

Facebook added stories to Facebook itself, Instagram, and Whatsapp a few years back, almost certainly in an attempt to claw some users away from Snapchat.

Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

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post #71

So Signal is missing a basic feature like location sharing and they chose to go ahead with implementing Stories. I guess they are focusing more on getting new users than making a great app. The thing is none of these centralized apps will ever get messaging right. Because no matter how good the intentions of the team are sooner or later the higher management or the PM wants to have bigger piece of cake. This in the e…

For a messaging application whose intended target audience includes dissidents, location sharing even as an option sounds dangerous. Especially given this from your comment: Focus on providing security fixes and minor improvements that improve user experience - when UX includes such irrelevancies such as "avoid getting users vanished and/or killed", the guiding principle should be: no footguns.

A secret tracking device that reveals the location of the rebels secret underground base certainly sounds dangerous, but allowing dissidents to share location of the protest for everyone to gather at seems almost necessary for a modern messaging app! How else do you get to that critical mass of people in the main city square? In the end, it's just a tool that isn't inherently good or evil.

Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

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The development of Signal, sorry to put it harshly, seems to suffer from a split brained syndrome. On one hand they’ll focus on adding stickers, stories and other trivial features to help appeal to a broader user base, but on the other hand they’ll refuse to implement basic and important features that people need in a chat app, like chat backups (there is no backup option for iOS, only a device to device transfer…so…

For me personally, adding stickers is much more important than chat backups - at least on a day-to-day basis. The last time I switched devices was 3.5 years ago, the last time I used a sticker was 3.5 hours ago.

Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

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post #7

What are stories?

You can check out the Wikipedia page [1]. Apps like WhatsApp, Snapchat, Instagram, Facebook already have the stories feature. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stories_(social_media)

OK, I still don’t understand what a story is. Also, get off my lawn!

Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

#89

The development of Signal, sorry to put it harshly, seems to suffer from a split brained syndrome. On one hand they’ll focus on adding stickers, stories and other trivial features to help appeal to a broader user base, but on the other hand they’ll refuse to implement basic and important features that people need in a chat app, like chat backups (there is no backup option for iOS, only a device to device transfer…so…

For me personally, adding stickers is much more important than chat backups - at least on a day-to-day basis. The last time I switched devices was 3.5 years ago, the last time I used a sticker was 3.5 hours ago.

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Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

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post #78

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> On one hand they’ll focus on adding stickers, stories and other trivial features to help appeal to a broader user base > I’ve been trying Element (from Matrix), but its UX is quite poor. I just wish chat apps would copy at least some of the UX of Telegram. I think Signal may be trying to copy some of the UX features that drive people to WhatsApp and Telegram, while maintaining the security. Adding stickers and stor…

Well, one of the big reasons people use services like Snapchat is so they can talk to people they meet in semi-sketchy circumstances without giving out their phone number (which can be used to track or stalk them). Moxie seems to insist that the only way to build a successful service is using telephone numbers, but clearly that is false as the world's largest unencrypted messengers--which should be the enemy, NOT Wha…

> Moxie seems to insist that the only way to build a successful service is using telephone numbers, but clearly that is false as the world's largest unencrypted messengers--which should be the enemy, NOT WhatsApp!!!!!!!!--do not use phone numbers as identifiers and allow users to hide them even if they are collected.

I don't think Moxie insists on this. I remember reading this on the Signal blog[0] a few years ago:

> Social apps need a social network, and Signal’s is built on the phone numbers that are stored in your device’s address book. The address book on your device is in some ways a threat to the traditional social graphs controlled by companies like Facebook, since it is user-owned, portable, and accessible to any app you approve. For Signal, that has meant that we can leverage and contribute to a user-owned portable network without having to force users to build a new closed one from scratch.

> However, many Signal users would also like to be able to communicate without revealing their phone numbers, in part because these identifiers are so portable that they enable a user’s conversation partner to contact them through other channels in cases where that might be less desirable. One challenge has been that if we added support for something like usernames in Signal, those usernames wouldn’t get saved in your phone’s address book. Thus if you reinstalled Signal or got a new device, you would lose your entire social graph, because it’s not saved anywhere else.

> Other messaging apps solve this by storing a plaintext copy of your address book, social graph, and conversation frequency on their servers. That way your phone can get run over by a car without flattening your social graph in those apps, but it comes at a high privacy price.

[0]: https://signal.org/blog/secure-value-recovery/

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