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Re: How to quit like a boss

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Post by fleddr »

It's funny how the diagram directly contradicts the entire article.

"Your manager hears you out" NO -> "You should leave anyway"

That's exactly the reason why you don't share your exit plan prematurely. Your exit plan is still in progress, it may need more time, it may fail altogether. You're risking all of that by telling about your exit too early.

Don't say anything until you have a signed contract at the next employer. Do leave cleanly and gracefully.

Do lie about reasons. Just say the place was great, and you were just looking for a change. This keeps your network spotless and you might get a reference letter. Should times go dark, you may have a place to run back to.

Re: How to quit like a boss

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Post by karmakaze »

solarmist wrote: post #79
karmakaze wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I once gave clear indications that I was considering joining a startup in hopes that the company could start looking for my replacement. I wasn't treated any differently and carried on as usual until I gave my notice. Much later, after the startup failed I learned that those months of knowing that I'd likely be leaving and there was little they could do about it was a very terrible time for the higher up dev vp/cto/w…

Why was it a terrible time for them? The only thing that comes to mind is that there's an "open slot on the team," but it can't be filled because they're still there.

I think it's because I was a go-to person for solving deep problems and would be hard to fill. Also having others know and you being ultimately responsible while mostly powerless wouldn't be fun. I don't know the details, but some short time after I left the product team I was on stopped being offered. I think I would have fought to keep it around longer. Either that or I'm the rat that left the sinking ship.

Re: How to quit like a boss

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Post by deagle50 »

delgaudm wrote: post #76
oramit wrote: post #65

This post is filled with bad and naive advice. I have thankfully worked in mostly rational companies and been able to be honest with managers about what is or isn't working. At my last job though I spent more than a year saying repeatedly that I wasn't happy with my project work and that I wanted more pay. Annual review rolls around and they didn't fix it. I had a new job offer in a month and when I put in my notice…

Could not agree more. The company is not, can not, and will not ever be loyal to you. Ever. They will fire you, lay you off, relieve you of duty instantly for any reason or no reason at all. They've lobbied for laws to do exactly that (in the US anyway). And they will keep information asymmetrical in their favor. No. Matter. What. In the long run they will be dishonest with you, they will lie to your face, and they w…

This is the way.

Re: How to quit like a boss

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Post by tessierashpool »

oramit wrote: post #65

This post is filled with bad and naive advice. I have thankfully worked in mostly rational companies and been able to be honest with managers about what is or isn't working. At my last job though I spent more than a year saying repeatedly that I wasn't happy with my project work and that I wanted more pay. Annual review rolls around and they didn't fix it. I had a new job offer in a month and when I put in my notice…

> This post is filled with bad and naive advice.

it's also got a very silly title. the way a boss quits is they sell the company.

Re: How to quit like a boss

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Post by devwastaken »

oramit wrote: post #65

This post is filled with bad and naive advice. I have thankfully worked in mostly rational companies and been able to be honest with managers about what is or isn't working. At my last job though I spent more than a year saying repeatedly that I wasn't happy with my project work and that I wanted more pay. Annual review rolls around and they didn't fix it. I had a new job offer in a month and when I put in my notice…

Potential employers are sitting on empty positions, all the time. The market is not "red hot" unless you have the resume. This is continually demonstrated time and again as CS students struggle to enter the job market. We whom are paid for our work live in a bubble of success that by it's nature does not get to see the failure.

If companies were actually struggling they would fund education and find people to hire. Overwhelmingly tech refuses to fund education and is heavily competed over for job positions and internships. Just like every company says they make the best products, they say they're always hiring.

Re: How to quit like a boss

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Post by nescioquid »

> Your reasons for leaving shouldn’t be a suprise (sic) to your boss

Two jobs ago, I resigned three months after having won one of the three top technical slots in the company. My SVP (a talented and smart climber) told me that she intended to plagiarize my resignation letter without even a perfunctory attempt at retention (not the first sneer to pass over my face as I confront the false cognate blessé -- begging pardon from our francophones).

CapitalistCartr has commented that the advice is good given the environment be rational. I endorse this, as far as it goes, but the rationality here, really, is only of the etiquette of gentlemanly advancement. Advancement -- to what, exactly? Meaning? Remuneration? Prestige? As if the absence of a particular individual really creates any adversity for the so-called subordinates.

Every organism is predicated upon a survival strategy, be it tooth or claw or (in our case) cooperation. When you are about to leave, lend aid to those who aided you.

Re: How to quit like a boss

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Post by thaumasiotes »

froaway4job wrote: post #80

I think it's really cool that this particular employee had a great quitting experience. However, this is the worst advice I have ever read. Good experiences should not be translated into advice. Your employer is not your friend. You may be lucky enough to have friends who share the same employer, but at the end of the day you are employed by a business, treat it accordingly. Here's how I handle quitting in a remote w…

> Good experiences should not be translated into advice.

Where else would advice come from?

Re: How to quit like a boss

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Post by cascom »

It’s the company and supervisor’s job to manage the success of that team, if someone leaving with standard notice of 2-3 weeks creates such a problem, that’s on management. a good supervisor should be proactively ensuring that key individuals are “fulfilled” in the role and/or be backfilling the role.

The employee has no duty to their co-workers/team above good manners/civility and faithfully working towards a handoff.

Re: How to quit like a boss

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Post by tharkun__ »

lmilcin wrote: post #68
ipaddr wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still strongly suggest you get everything in order (employment offer accepted) before sharing you are on a job search. Companies will start planning without you and you may not land the perfect job for months. Would a company share they are posting a job to replace you and then ask you to train that person before they actually do? Graceful is 2/3 weeks notice of handing off projects.

Well, you should have offer before you put your notice. I usually wait until I have the new contract signed. But the notice should not be a surprise to anybody. I tell my boss that I am actively searching, don't yet have an offer or a concrete date. I also tell him not to worry and reassure I will try to give him as much notice as possible and will cooperate to close whatever projects we can close and do necessary tr…

You mention Poland and the different notice period. I think this has a significance. If the minimum notice - if you can time it that way - is a full month and on average it's closer to 1.5-2 months, that is quite different from the United States, where there's only a 2 week notice period in your contract and (AFAIK) none by law.

Those are two very different environments. With a usual 2 week notice period and the possibility to basically say "I'm not coming in tomorrow" and nobody can do anything about it things are quite different.

I have never told anyone that I was leaving until I had the other contract signed and they suspected nothing. I still never left on bad terms and gave the required notice. I found that more than a month of notice is actually much easier in this regard but if the employer puts a 2 week notice period in the contract - such that they only have to give 2 weeks - then I am under no obligation to do differently. If they want more notice, put it in the contract and stick to it themselves as well. That's how it was at my jobs in Europe. I had more than a month both ways and of course I gave that notice gladly as I would have received the same the other way around.

Re: How to quit like a boss

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Post by DangitBobby »

lmilcin wrote: post #68
ipaddr wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still strongly suggest you get everything in order (employment offer accepted) before sharing you are on a job search. Companies will start planning without you and you may not land the perfect job for months. Would a company share they are posting a job to replace you and then ask you to train that person before they actually do? Graceful is 2/3 weeks notice of handing off projects.

Well, you should have offer before you put your notice. I usually wait until I have the new contract signed. But the notice should not be a surprise to anybody. I tell my boss that I am actively searching, don't yet have an offer or a concrete date. I also tell him not to worry and reassure I will try to give him as much notice as possible and will cooperate to close whatever projects we can close and do necessary tr…

> I tell my boss that I am actively searching, don't yet have an offer or a concrete date.

And what if you fail to procure an offer and your manager doesn't want to have to worry about you jumping ship so they find a replacement for you anyway?

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