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Re: Utah tech executive resigns after anti-semitic email rant

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Post by macilacilove »

Gustomaximus wrote: post #56

I liked the Bill Burr take on this 'vaccine is to wipe us out' conspiracy. The better logic is this invisible hand would not want to wipe out the vaccine takers as they are the 'sheeple' who are controlled. These powers would want to remove the trouble makers, the people that dont do what they are told. So a more likely conspiracy is the secret plan would be to release a second virus to kill the non-vaxed once the sh…

>These powers would want to remove the trouble makers.

That is indeed a good argument.

I do not believe covid vaccines are intentionally killing people. The chance of that being the case is maybe 1 in a (m/b)illion who knows. (is it too much or not much risk to mandate it on everyone given the alternative(everyone gets infected etc)?)

There exist groups however who would decrease population no matter what, because they think that is the only way to "save the planet", right?

There are other possibilities where the vaccines are preferred by evil conspirators, but I won't go into it because figuring out how evil people would think is not making me happy at all.

Re: Utah tech executive resigns after anti-semitic email rant

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Post by TylerE »

ars wrote: post #55
TylerE wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Trumpists are actually among the most pro-Israel, but it's mostly an "owning the libs" thing, not out of any actual love of Jews.

> not out of any actual love of Jews. Other than, you know, his daughter? Who is Jewish? Or do you imagine he doesn't love his daughter?

Your're missing the distinction between Trump and Trump supporters.

Re: Utah tech executive resigns after anti-semitic email rant

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Post by kthejoker2 »

LudwigNagasena wrote: post #41
seattle_spring wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize that a non-trivial amount of politicians have publicly made similar claims about the Jews? It's not like this is some isolated incident.

Can you name some politicians that claimed that the COVID-19 vaccine is part of a plot by "the Jews" to exterminate people or something similar?

Ron DeSantis spokeswoman

https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-governors-press-secret...

Arizona State Senator Wendy Rogers

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/...

Ohio US Senate candidate Josh Mandel

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium.HIGHLIGHT-jewish-go...

https://ktxs.com/news/local/shackleford-county-gop-chairwoma...

And these are just the outright ones, there is plenty of this stuff at rallies and protests that help fund politicians - there are hardly any condemnations unless it's so blatant it hurts their war chest.

Re: Utah tech executive resigns after anti-semitic email rant

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Post by macilacilove »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #29
version_five wrote: post #12

Having just read it, this sounds like a mental health issue to me. It's well outside the bounds of opinion, even a ridiculous or hateful opinion. I worry that people are running to mock this guy because they want to portray these views as the kind of things their opponents actually think, while in reality there is clearly something wrong with him and he may need some compassion. This is not a fringe opinion, there is…

Plenty of otherwise intelligent people have believed in conspiratorial nonsense through history. Especially when that nonsense was about Jews.

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Re: Utah tech executive resigns after anti-semitic email rant

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Post by andrew_ »

TylerE wrote: post #78
andrew_ wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can you possibly suppose to quantify this statement?

Trump declared himself the most pro-Israel president in american history. That seems pretty definitive.

You claimed that "Trumpists" in general, in totality, are only pro-Isreal because it's an "owning the libs" thing. You have zero metrics or sources to back that up. You cannot claim to know the mind of every person who supports Trump. This tribalism has fucking brainwashed people. It's maddening.

Re: Utah tech executive resigns after anti-semitic email rant

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Post by andrew_ »

TylerE wrote: post #82
ars wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> not out of any actual love of Jews. Other than, you know, his daughter? Who is Jewish? Or do you imagine he doesn't love his daughter?

Your're missing the distinction between Trump and Trump supporters.

Please cease with the petty tribal idealistic mud slinging.

Re: Utah tech executive resigns after anti-semitic email rant

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Post by anigbrowl »

throwawayboise wrote: post #66
tyingq wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Could be a sign of dementia or Alzheimers He appears to be pretty young, see the photo at the top: https://forward.com/fast-forward/480359/david-bateman-entrat... So, perhaps some other kind of mental illness. It was telling that he basically doubled down with a sort of "sorry, sorry, but it's still a Jewish plot" in his apology. Edit: He's likely 42 or 43, based on some old (2002/2003) stories about founding the co…

Ah well, I guess not then. I imagined someone a lot older. Some form of schizophrenia perhaps.

There's an entire subculture that promotes and amplifies this kind of thing for political ends. Is it really so hard to believe that maybe the guy is just a closet nazi? It's not that uncommon for people to make very bad decisions about internet activity under the influence of alcohol or recreational/abused prescription drugs.

Re: Utah tech executive resigns after anti-semitic email rant

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Post by q1w2 »

kthejoker2 wrote: post #83
LudwigNagasena wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you name some politicians that claimed that the COVID-19 vaccine is part of a plot by "the Jews" to exterminate people or something similar?

Ron DeSantis spokeswoman https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-governors-press-secret... Arizona State Senator Wendy Rogers https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/... Ohio US Senate candidate Josh Mandel https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium.HIGHLIGHT-jewish-go... https://ktxs.com/news/local/shackleford-county-gop-chairwoma... And these are just the outright ones, there is plenty of this stuff…

Sen. Wendy Rogers's quote was not about Jews at all. It was about latino migrants (not that that's better).

Ron DeSantis spokeswoman isn't, what I would call, a politician - and her quote was specifically about the Rothschild family. Although it's not clear which conspiracy theory she's refering too - many of them (while all irrational) are not anti-semitic. It also doesn't seem to be a serious comment.

Your other two links are for a candidate, not an active politician.

These are not good examples.

Re: Utah tech executive resigns after anti-semitic email rant

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Post by q1w2 »

version_five wrote: post #12

Having just read it, this sounds like a mental health issue to me. It's well outside the bounds of opinion, even a ridiculous or hateful opinion. I worry that people are running to mock this guy because they want to portray these views as the kind of things their opponents actually think, while in reality there is clearly something wrong with him and he may need some compassion. This is not a fringe opinion, there is…

Does anyone have a link to the original email. I hate reading articles that just take snippets and add their outrage commentary.

Re: Utah tech executive resigns after anti-semitic email rant

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Post by anigbrowl »

TylerE wrote: post #25
mullingitover wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

It really isn't. Most on the far right are very very very pro-Israel.

Not so, at all.

There is a lot of support for Israel among evangelical conservatives because they think it ties into Biblical prophecy, but that's not the same thing. And if you think the 'far right' (going by the usual meaning of people out at the extreme, often outside the boundaries of electoral politics) are pro Israel then I have to say you've never talked to any 'far right' people and do not know much about the contemporary political landscape.

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