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South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as fast as it grew

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Re: South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as fast as it grew

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I saw some charts out of South Africa today showing that deaths are starting to rise with a three week delay. I'm optimistic that Omicron is less severe, but it's also possible that it's just taking a little longer than expected to start killing people.

Do you have a link for those charts?

Don’t worry about it; he saw them.

Re: South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as fast as it grew

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This is very bad news for pharma profits!

There are at least some people who have figured out the right covid policies, because some of them are running NFL. NFL has ruled that asymptomatic players who received the initial round of vaccinations don't need to be regularly tested. With the rise of omicron, populations of healthy young people whose families have access to health care don't need to fear infection and don't need "boosters". Of course, many families in USA lack access to health care because capitalism. NFL can't directly be held responsible for that, although many NFL owners are billionaires so they can. [0]

[0] https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-poli...

Re: South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as fast as it grew

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I’ve been tanking some downvotes for the past few days for saying this. Disease spread is only exponential for a brief initial period. It is not a good mental or even general model for how disease spreads. We have two years of observational covid data that shows this to be true. Spread slows down rapidly long before reaching 100%. People hear “5x as infectious” and reason that due to the nature of exponential models,…

Thank you. It is mind boggling to me how politicians and scientists (well, mostly MDs) keep talking about exponential growth and make horrible predictions, without realizing that exponential growth is never sustainable - a logistic growth is what often happens in reality if resources are limited.

Re: South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as fast as it grew

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I was at Costco this morning (DFW) buying a big hunk of Prime Rib for Christmas Day dinner. No one either knows or cares anymore. I'm still wearing a mask for facial recognition purposes but I'm starting to feel weird considering no one else is wearing a mask anymore, not even the folks who look like they got one foot in the grave already. Omicron is already so yesterday it isn't even a memory.

This varies a lot by region. Where I live, everyone wears masks in Costco - I'd attribute this to the government mandate, but people did not stop wearing them even when the mandate was lifted. They have also closed the schools again.

Re: South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as fast as it grew

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw some charts out of South Africa today showing that deaths are starting to rise with a three week delay. I'm optimistic that Omicron is less severe, but it's also possible that it's just taking a little longer than expected to start killing people.

Do you have a link for those charts?

Pretty good one here:

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/omicron-updat...

Re: South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as fast as it grew

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I’ve been tanking some downvotes for the past few days for saying this. Disease spread is only exponential for a brief initial period. It is not a good mental or even general model for how disease spreads. We have two years of observational covid data that shows this to be true. Spread slows down rapidly long before reaching 100%. People hear “5x as infectious” and reason that due to the nature of exponential models,…

On the subject of oversimplified exponential models, we don't even need covid data to know this to be true. The fact that there is a duration of an individual case being contagious is enough to make that obviously incorrect.

Re: South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as fast as it grew

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It typically takes three weeks to go from being a case to dead, given how quickly it was rising it was very hard to get a good sense of how many people were likely to die before it was already infecting huge numbers of people. That's not panic, that's justifiable concern about a new strain of a virus that has killed millions of people around the world already.

Most people who died were not vaccinated

Most people that died were 60+ years old

Re: South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as fast as it grew

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I've basically given up on trying to figure out what the right response is to Omicron. I've seen moved on to trying to figure out the hidden incentives of the hysterics and the covid deniers. I've since regretted moving on from the first intractable problem.

Re: South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as fast as it grew

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The panic surrounding Omicron is absurd. Take a look at these two charts. Omicron cases spiked in SA. Deaths didn't budge. At all. https://i.imgur.com/TgRmz4F.png [1] Omicron is a good thing, if your baseline is Delta. But I'm still waiting for the US media stop hyperventilating about it. 1. https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-m...

One report [1] (of many now) about Omicron being less severe than Delta:

"Overall, we find evidence of a reduction in the risk of hospitalisation for Omicron relative to Delta infections, averaging over all casesin the study period. The extent of reduction is sensitive to the inclusion criteria used for cases and hospitalisation, being in the range 20-25% when using any attendance at hospital as the endpoint, and 40-45% when using hospitalisation lasting 1 day or longer or hospitalisations with the ECDS discharge field recorded as “admitted” as the endpoint (Table 1)"

[1] https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/m...

Re: South Africa’s omicron coronavirus outbreak subsides as fast as it grew

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Maybe you're using cloudflare dns? https://community.cloudflare.com/t/archive-is-error-1001/182...

I am, on all of my devices. Interesting.

A great example of why you as a techie should be using your own recursive resolver.
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