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Re: Magnus Carlsen retains title after winning lopsided match

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Post by OrderlyTiamat »

scbrg wrote: post #65
MVorlm wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GOAT isn't obscure or domain specific and is a very common acronym used online for almost anything competitive and doesn't need any more explanation.

My apologies. I'd never seen it, and since it was in the context of chess, I included that in my searches. There was lots of information about cheese, and lots of questions about who the GOAT was, but not what it meant. Interestingly, my comment got a handful of upvotes before it was modded to oblivion, so apparently I wasn't alone in not knowing this very common acronym. I'll try to be more American next time I'm on…

That is actually an amusing but interesting failure mode for search, linking "GOAT" to "goat" and "chess" to "cheese" is pretty natural, but totally misleading in this case. I wonder if there's a good solution (for google/ddg/etc users) for that beyond just putting everything in quotation marks, as that doesn't seem to help much anymore.

Re: Magnus Carlsen retains title after winning lopsided match

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Post by 1123581321 »

ekabod wrote: post #54
1123581321 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How else would you explain the moves well below his level that objectively cost him? He is a great player but does not have Magnus’ mental and emotional consistency. Not everyone advances to the top in chess with the same combination of inner traits. This is also seen in other competitions where humans must perform at their absolute best in all aspects to reliably win.

Saying Nepo has less mental endurance than Carlsen is not the same as saying he doesn't have any as this poster wrote.

Ah. I think the meaning was clearly relative to the level of play and you took it too literally.

Re: Magnus Carlsen retains title after winning lopsided match

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Post by thom »

Doesn't really feel like this whole World Championship cycle hit great heights. Ding disappointed in the Candidates, Ian collapsed in the match. But that's life. I hope we get good results in the 2022 Grands Prix, especially now there's no qualification by rating.

Re: Magnus Carlsen retains title after winning lopsided match

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Post by kzrdude »

thom wrote: post #77
smnplk wrote: post #31

Ha! I didn't know that Dubov was in in MC team :D What a legend. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_kW-HMNYRA

Was he? Svidler implied that given he was close to both Magnus and Ian, they'd all decided not to put him in a difficult position and ask him to take sides. But Magnus did say it was the same team I guess. Either way, feels like we saw a couple of his lines come up. His influence on the game is fascinating.

Svidler was speculating and now the Magnus team revealed the team in reality yesterday, incl Dubov

Re: Magnus Carlsen retains title after winning lopsided match

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Post by thom »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #22
zarzavat wrote: post #17

Even if the quality of play in this match has been not great, one thing I really enjoyed was the extremely high class of commentary. Caruana, Giri, Anand, Svidler and Nakamura have been doing commentary (simultaneously!) throughout the match. It has been a real treat, I don't believe any match before has had such a deep level of live analysis. I have had five different streams open at times just to listen to them all…

I didn’t think the commentary was that good this year, too many awkward personalities. Anish was constantly talking over Judit. I tuned into to Vishy’s stream for a bit, but the person he had with him was incredibly awkward. I find Danny Rensch to be completely insufferable, which is a shame because Caruana is so good. Howell and Houska are pretty good, but they had some terrible guests on that stream, and all of the…

Anish did talk over Judit a lot, but quite often that was justified. At the moment of the c5 blunder, for example, they were analysing that exact move because Judit had suggested it, and Anish was explaining how it was just a whole piece.

Re: Magnus Carlsen retains title after winning lopsided match

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Post by smnplk »

thom wrote: post #77
smnplk wrote: post #31

Ha! I didn't know that Dubov was in in MC team :D What a legend. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_kW-HMNYRA

Was he? Svidler implied that given he was close to both Magnus and Ian, they'd all decided not to put him in a difficult position and ask him to take sides. But Magnus did say it was the same team I guess. Either way, feels like we saw a couple of his lines come up. His influence on the game is fascinating.

Yea, i think Dubov is the reason Magnus played more conservatively.

Re: Magnus Carlsen retains title after winning lopsided match

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Post by nikanj »

switz wrote: post #20
pkulak wrote: post #16

Is it just me, or is Chess becoming a thing lately? I've recently started to really enjoy watching it (kinda hate playing it, haha), so maybe it's just because I'm paying attention?

Chess is in many ways, the perfect esport. I'm sure I'll take some flack for calling it an esport due to its rich history and the fact that it was not originally a "video game", but in 2021 those lines are blurred. In my opinion, it checks all the boxes.

It's too easy to cheat in chess by having someone run the moves through alphazero or similar.

Re: Magnus Carlsen retains title after winning lopsided match

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Post by Gene_Parmesan »

v64 wrote: post #2

This match was notable for a number of reasons: 1) Game 6 lasted 136 moves, making it the longest game in world championship history, surpassing the 124 move game 5 of Korchnoi-Karpov in 1978. 2) Carlsen's victory in game 6 was also the first decisive match game (excluding tiebreakers) since game 10 of Carlsen's defense against Karjakin in 2016. Carlsen's defense against Caruana in 2018 featured 12 draws before movin…

> Carlsen's defense against Caruana in 2018 featured 12 draws before moving into tiebreakers

I really hope they are able to figure out some not-too-unnatural way to reduce the likelihood of draws. One easy possibility I saw suggested a number of times would be to remove the increment. Give additional time at certain move thresholds like they do now, but then at some point, that's it. No more time. Time pressure should remain a legitimate possibility of a threat throughout the match. When two GMs are in the endgame, +30s each move is an eternity, and how many tiny moves did we see them make just to get another +30s?

Oh well. I know excitement isn't the main driving force, I just think it's a real shame to see a world championship matchup like Carlsen/Caruana go to 12 straight draws and be decided by tiebreakers.

Re: Magnus Carlsen retains title after winning lopsided match

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Post by hobofan »

kungito wrote: post #25
pkulak wrote: post #16

Is it just me, or is Chess becoming a thing lately? I've recently started to really enjoy watching it (kinda hate playing it, haha), so maybe it's just because I'm paying attention?

You could say Hikaru single handedly popularised chess because he's a GM who started memeing on twitch.tv. There are other streamers who are also big, and some youtubers, but I'd say the fact that he's so highly ranked was required for success. Then Pogchamps tournament happened and chess exploded.

While Hikaru and other Twitch streamers/content creators are definitely a part of the puzzle, I'd say that this comparison of search trends[0] indicate that the more likely kick-off event was Queen's Gambit, which reached a lot of people that are not that into Twitch.

[0]: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=...

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