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Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by jrm4 » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 9:39 PM UTC

From the Linux side of the fence;

Like, why. Why ANY OF THIS. Why a big "important sounding" announcement for something so trivial? Why encourage or tolerate an operating system (slash ecosystem of apps) with such a limited view of choice? Announcements like this really lay bare the collective dumbing down that these centralized ecosystems encourage.

Someone's going to respond with "people don't like thinking about choices for things and just want simplicity," and I will point you to an American grocery store to remind you what utter BS that is. This is monopoly(ish) leveraging, perhaps not at its most harmful, but it's really silly.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by valenaut » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 9:39 PM UTC

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #77

ng-user wrote: post #19

It's crazy to me that Windows 11 has already been released and yet they're still adding what should be core functionality to the OS as an after thought. If they are so set on redesigning Notepad and/or all system apps to use the new design style, why would those not be prioritized and included in the original release from day 1?

Notepad is core OS functionality? I think not.

For Windows I would say it is. Windows doesn't come with vi, nano, or any other terminal text editor, and some kind of text editor is needed for pretty much anything you would do with a computer.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by Fargren » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 9:40 PM UTC

gilleain wrote: post #74

sz4kerto wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use it all the time as a temporary scratchpad or clipboard. It opens very quickly, it doesn’t have anything else other than a text area. Not sure what else should I use :) VSC? Opens too slow. Sticky notes? Not sure, slow and too complex for the task. Also it’s an advantage that it doesn’t save the state anywhere so I can just force quit and everything disappears. I am missing Paint and Notepad on MacOS when I just…

notepad++ is a far superior product imo. so many useful features out of the box, and has plugins also. * search in all opened docs * find/replace with regex * tabs to space * line operations etc Very useful, and for my workflows on Windows, indispensible (even alongside wsl or powershell)

I use notepad++, but it nags me for updates more often than I would like. If I only need a quick dirty note, notepad is still better.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by jansan » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 9:41 PM UTC

" are also adding support for multi-level undo"

Wow, how advanced. For those of you who did not know, Notepad allowed exactly ONE undo step. ONE! In a frickin text editor.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by koyote » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 9:42 PM UTC

kgwxd wrote: post #25

I assume it will be at least as slow to load as the redesigned Calculator, and bug me to rate it Microsoft Store every now and then.

Out of curiosity I just opened up the new Calculator. It took around 150ms to load (at a guess, it was pretty much instant).

How slow is it on your machine?? I've also not had it ask me to rate it on the store. I don't think it even exists on the store.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by the-dude » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 9:44 PM UTC

pantaloons wrote: post #58

I worked on Windows back in 2014, probably the most surprising thing joining there out of college was looking through the bug database. Every issue that gets complained about online -- and many more -- are in there, and have been for a long time, marked WONTFIX due to a potential compatibility break, lack of priority, or some other policy reason. I don't know if anyone even owned Notepad or any other older inbox apps…

https://xkcd.com/1172/

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by tonyedgecombe » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 9:45 PM UTC

josefresco wrote: post #51

I use Notepad almost daily to "strip" formatting before pasting content. I hope they don't ever change that ability.

If you are pasting in a browser try Ctrl+Shift+V to remove formatting.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by MisterTea » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 9:46 PM UTC

pantaloons wrote: post #58

I worked on Windows back in 2014, probably the most surprising thing joining there out of college was looking through the bug database. Every issue that gets complained about online -- and many more -- are in there, and have been for a long time, marked WONTFIX due to a potential compatibility break, lack of priority, or some other policy reason. I don't know if anyone even owned Notepad or any other older inbox apps…

> you could view reports on which obscure apps hooked into this or that internal code of cmd.exe or Notepad and would break

Wait what, external software calls into notepad?

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by racl101 » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 9:47 PM UTC

pantaloons wrote: post #58

I worked on Windows back in 2014, probably the most surprising thing joining there out of college was looking through the bug database. Every issue that gets complained about online -- and many more -- are in there, and have been for a long time, marked WONTFIX due to a potential compatibility break, lack of priority, or some other policy reason. I don't know if anyone even owned Notepad or any other older inbox apps…

I imagine then at least 80% of Excel's bug tracker must have WONTFIX as a designation, cause I tell you, the same fucking bugs seem to come with every release.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by groby_b » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 9:47 PM UTC

jrm4 wrote: post #81

From the Linux side of the fence; Like, why. Why ANY OF THIS. Why a big "important sounding" announcement for something so trivial? Why encourage or tolerate an operating system (slash ecosystem of apps) with such a limited view of choice? Announcements like this really lay bare the collective dumbing down that these centralized ecosystems encourage. Someone's going to respond with "people don't like thinking about c…

I strongly encourage you to occasionally view the world through more than one lens.

No matter what the OS, the default editor is important. Changes to the default editor that address long standing demands by the community are important. Communicating those changes to a wide audience is important as well. (And the Linux side of the fence could stand to learn a bit about communicating with the wider community)

And that's why that article exists - because a tool used by a large user population just got significantly better. And that user population is mostly happy about the improvement. If you're not the audience, skipping it is an option.