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Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by [deleted] »

dadro wrote: post #54
commandar wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Vista (IMHO) had a rotten core Windows 7 would suggest you're dead wrong about this. W7 is largely Vista with some polish and a rebranding.

I'm not suggesting that at all. I think W7 is arguably the best OS Microsoft has released (except maybe for Win2k). At the time of Vista Microsoft was managing 2 seperate Kernels, one for consumers and one for servers. The 6000 build Vista was based off was (IMHO) a more bloated XP build. They made a great move by consolidating to their Server kernel. Windows 7 reflects this in its speed and stability.

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Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by StrawberryFrog »

dadro wrote: post #54
commandar wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Vista (IMHO) had a rotten core Windows 7 would suggest you're dead wrong about this. W7 is largely Vista with some polish and a rebranding.

I'm not suggesting that at all. I think W7 is arguably the best OS Microsoft has released (except maybe for Win2k). At the time of Vista Microsoft was managing 2 seperate Kernels, one for consumers and one for servers. The 6000 build Vista was based off was (IMHO) a more bloated XP build. They made a great move by consolidating to their Server kernel. Windows 7 reflects this in its speed and stability.

> Vista (IMHO) had a rotten core ... I think W7 is arguably the best OS Microsoft has released

You are overly negative on Vista and overly positive in Win7. I think you fell for the hype. The differences between them are minor.

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by vaporstun »

KirinDave wrote: post #60
narkee wrote: post #3

I don't experience any of the issues the guy mentions in his article. Sometimes I wonder how some people's configurations get so wonky that they have all these issues. It's clearly an atypical case.

I've experienced my own set of issues (oh god the kernel panics), but really, you haven't experienced anything he mentions? You don't feel like Mission control is a pretty big step backwards from even the old spaces UI (on a single monitor, it is)? You really haven't had problems or questions with the new fullscreen behavior? You think Launchpad is not pointless? You've _never_ had action misses on drag-and-drop to t…

"I've experienced my own set of issues (oh god the kernel panics), but really, you haven't experienced anything he mentions?"

I'm in basically the same boat. I have experienced some issues, but none of the ones he mentions. Further, in my experience anyway, this has been the smoothest major OS version upgrade I've experienced. Obviously that won't be true for everyone, but it is for myself.

"You don't feel like Mission control is a pretty big step backwards from even the old spaces UI (on a single monitor, it is)?"

I don't personally, but to each his own. I think it is refreshing that they cleaned things up and consolidated what was once multiple disparate UIs (dashboard, expose, and spaces) into a single UI. Formerly, I didn't even try to explain to my wife how to use Spaces because it was just too confusing for her. Now that it's all basically one UI, it is easier to explain and requires no manual configuration. I am a bit annoyed at some minor quirks, like the inability to manually rearrange desktops, but I don't consider it a step back.

"You think Launchpad is not pointless?"

I just simply don't get this complaint. They added a new feature. If you think it's pointless, ignore it, but what is the point of complaining about a new thing which you are not forced to use which does not deprecate any old feature?

Anyway, everyone is certainly welcome to have their complaints, especially someone who has experienced some poor issues, but I agree with the grandparent comment that often someone's configs can get mangled and they can lash out at, in this case, Apple, as though it is entirely their fault. I would be extremely surprised if all of these complaints were entirely valid and the writer of the article were not tinkering with their system intensely to have all these issues pop up.

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by dadro »

dadro wrote: post #54
commandar wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Vista (IMHO) had a rotten core Windows 7 would suggest you're dead wrong about this. W7 is largely Vista with some polish and a rebranding.

I'm not suggesting that at all. I think W7 is arguably the best OS Microsoft has released (except maybe for Win2k). At the time of Vista Microsoft was managing 2 seperate Kernels, one for consumers and one for servers. The 6000 build Vista was based off was (IMHO) a more bloated XP build. They made a great move by consolidating to their Server kernel. Windows 7 reflects this in its speed and stability.

Vista shipped with 6.0.6000. Build 6000 = BAD Vista SP1 RTM shipped with 6.0.6001. Build 6001 = GOOD

http://apcmag.com/microsoft_replaces_vista_kernel_in_sp1.htm

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by mitjak »

lallysingh wrote: post #72
tptacek wrote: post #57

First, I think that to be fair, if you're going to say someone is having a "Vista Moment", they have to have bet a significant chunk of the company on the OS. When iOS 7 blows up, talk about Apple's "Vista Moment". Second, I think there's an implication here that prior releases of OS X have been great. They have not been great. Snow Leopard was solid, because that was its only goal. Much of what Apple has attempted w…

Additionally, let's remember that lion's a $30 upgrade, which makes things sting quite a bit less.

It's still the next major OS release, regardless of the price.

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by sjs »

KirinDave wrote: post #60
narkee wrote: post #3

I don't experience any of the issues the guy mentions in his article. Sometimes I wonder how some people's configurations get so wonky that they have all these issues. It's clearly an atypical case.

I've experienced my own set of issues (oh god the kernel panics), but really, you haven't experienced anything he mentions? You don't feel like Mission control is a pretty big step backwards from even the old spaces UI (on a single monitor, it is)? You really haven't had problems or questions with the new fullscreen behavior? You think Launchpad is not pointless? You've _never_ had action misses on drag-and-drop to t…

I didn't use Spaces before Lion. It's still not perfect but I like it better now with Mission Control. The full screen behaviour is annoying. What if I want to go full screen on a secondary display? Huge oversight and who knows when they'll fix it. (fwiw The reasoning is that if there's only one app the menu bar should be above it or something so you don't have to move your mouse to the second display to show the menu bar. I think it's a lame reason since people w/ multiple displays are typically not grandma types that get confused about such things.)

Maybe old configurations don't mess things up. I had nothing but great experiences with Migration Assistant and upgrades since I started using Macs in 2005 until Lion, even through the PPC-Intel transition. I had a problem with my upgraded Lion machine though, it no longer connected to my Windows 7 machine's SMB shared volume. After doing a fresh install I was able to connect again and I had tried connecting from 10.6 so I know Lion was at fault. That's the only issue I had but it does lend some credibility to the fact that old configurations can be problematic, in my eyes.

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by watmough »

lallysingh wrote: post #72
tptacek wrote: post #57

First, I think that to be fair, if you're going to say someone is having a "Vista Moment", they have to have bet a significant chunk of the company on the OS. When iOS 7 blows up, talk about Apple's "Vista Moment". Second, I think there's an implication here that prior releases of OS X have been great. They have not been great. Snow Leopard was solid, because that was its only goal. Much of what Apple has attempted w…

Additionally, let's remember that lion's a $30 upgrade, which makes things sting quite a bit less.

I tried it for a bit, then happily re-imaged back to Snow Leopard. There's just too much goofy laptop oriented crap that I don't want. I was laughing out loud reading that article. And grimacing, as someone who works late in a quiet house, at the loss of fine volume adjustment from the keyboard.

I will have to test software on lion, but I'll just dedicate a partition and drop into it when necessary.

The worst thing for me was Mission Control. I miss the proportionately-scaled windows of Tiger(?) Exposé, but I utterly refuse to completely disrupt my flow with the clusterfuck that is Mission Control. Re-fuse.

I'll freely admit that I'm on a Mac Pro in a sea of laptops, but I have work to do, and it's just easier in Snow Leopard than it is in Lion.

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by jsz0 »

narkee wrote: post #3

I don't experience any of the issues the guy mentions in his article. Sometimes I wonder how some people's configurations get so wonky that they have all these issues. It's clearly an atypical case.

Me either. I've upgraded about half a dozen Macs with Lion at this point with no problems at all. The rating for Lion on the Mac App Store is 4 starts with over 150 reviews so it seems to be working well for most people.
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