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Re: Your eBay account has been suspended

#83

This happens for a few reasons. 1) Inactive or low activity account starts selling (instead of buying) high value / high risk items. Think GPU's, Macbooks, etc. 2) An old account has activity (including someone trying passwords from various breaches some of which might match an old salt). Because old account takeover and then fraudulent sales is a pretty big issue (old accounts often have 100% positive ratings) this…

This comports with my general understanding of the matter. By total coincidence, I just wrote a newsletter on this topic (like, minutes ago), and it includes a description of triangular fraud, which is particularly relevant for e.g. sales of desirable, fungible, high-ticket electronics via online platforms from accounts which don't have a long history of being electronics retailers.

https://bam.kalzumeus.com/archive/the-fraud-supply-chain/

Re: Your eBay account has been suspended

#84

Agreed with your sentiment that there needs to be some due process for these companies. Amazon has been holding $24,000 of my seller accounts proceeds for a year now stating that I "violated their TOS" by using the same IP address as my girlfriend uses (who was also an Amazon Seller). Both my and her accounts had perfect selling histories; weren't selling anything against tos, etc. I've been wanting to take them to c…

Do crowdfunding and you'll get help. At least mine.

Re: Your eBay account has been suspended

#85
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an interesting idea. However, I am terrified that if I do show up in court and do lose for whatever reason, then I will forever lose my chance at recuperating the funds. Maybe someday, they will realize that banning me was an error or the laws will change, and the decision will be reversed and the funds will be disbursed to me. I don't want to do something dumb and lose that opportunity. I've actually had a su…

IMHO, even if the rules do change someday, it's not likely Amazon would return the money: it's an administrative burden going over old records of Sellers that might not even be alive anymore, and which boss which like to make his department look worse in the financial reports just to refund some Seller which must have forgot about their money? It's much more likely Amazon will return the money if the ban is undone, a…

Well, I have a lot of records (screenshots in the app, downloaded reports, etc); and I am paying attention closely to the news around antitrust and other items affecting amazon sellers so I believe I'd know if something were to change here.

I don't think they feel right or wrong. I have talked to multiple customer support agents who have told me that I will get the money; or that they want to help me get it, but they have to forward it to X team and that team has to forward it to Y team and then nothing just ever gets done because somewhere down the line a team stops following through or whatever.

They don't feel any way about it. They are simply indifferent. It's a deal so insignificant to them that they don't even notice it even though it's been the #1 or #2 (next to my job) the center of attention for me over the last year.

Re: Your eBay account has been suspended

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Because my accounts are so old and I have so many of them, I get a message regularly saying that my account for service xyz has been suspended. When I contact them there a) never is a good reason for why it was done (hint; it is usually because they started using or recently updated some AI fraud detection service) b) small companies easily restore your account; with big ones it is usually game over. Ebay (and Paypal…

Never leave your brokerage account unattended, make sure to be active. The NPR Planet Money episode "Escheat Show" follows the story of a man who bought some Amazon stock long ago, and purposely never logged in to his online account, letting the stock multiply into a presumed small fortune. Years later he found that due to his inactivity the account had been deemed by his state (Connecticut?) as lost property years p…

What would be the tort? Usually bank accounts are considered dormant after around 3 years.

Ignorance of the law doesn’t make exempt from it.

Re: Your eBay account has been suspended

#87
Sorry that happened to you.

As some HNers know I have a long-time hobby of working customer service state machines, and I'm going to take the liberty of writing the most effective resolution path here for the general case, in case you or other HNers ever need to solve this.

Live chat is probably staffed by external agents and they may have the least ability in the various tiers of the CS hierarchy to help with problems, particularly hard problems requiring substantial judgement. Your princess in in another castle. It is quite possible that there is a business decision made to not let live agents speak to you for fear that a scammer will outmaneuver this tier of agent into getting a reinstatement by pretending to be a legitimate customer confused as to why they suddenly had their account deactivated.

There is a team which makes these sort of decisions (even if they also support teams which implement computer systems that make these decisions at scale), and they also unmake these decisions. You generally can route messages to that team by going in through email support, particularly email support for businesses.

If you cannot, there is also a team which handles internal escalations, and your objective is to find a public-facing individual who will file a ticket with them. This always, always, always includes the Legal department and Investor Relations, and may include e.g. their Comms people, social media people, etc etc. For businesses which tend towards the traditional/stody, I generally used to recommend paper letters to Legal/IR/Office of the President/etc, but for businesses which trend towards tech industry (and increasingly in finance), at messaging them on Twitter from an account that looks like very plausibly a human will often achieve the same effect.

Ignore basically everything they say in your message to the person attempting to achieve an internal escalation, and stick with the facts of your business relationship: I've been a user for N years, believe my account was deactivated in error, wish to continue being a user, and would like to reverse this decision. What information do they need to quickly come to this decision? In the alternative, can they please justify it in writing with specificity to you; you've already read the material they sent you but it clearly doesn't apply to your case.

It is generally not instrumentally effective to be angry.

The symptom you are detecting is downstream of a larger set of business decisions which weren't made for malice. Those decisions have a false positive rate. The business made a series of decisions with regards to false positives, customer support costs, escalation pathways, cost to operate them, etc. All of that is irrelevant to you, though; you just want to present like a professional who wants their account back, and in particular, you want to present like a professional who is very organized and motivated. Organized and motivated professionals who are savvy enough to write Investor Relations to get what they want are the start of a lot of stories which have cost e.g. financial firms a lot of money, because they're capable of collecting paper trails and submitting them to e.g. regulators, and they're detected and dealt with early in the process.

Best of luck and skill.

Disclaimer: comment written in personal capacity. I have some amount of knowledge of how this works professionally and some amount of knowledge from spending years ghostwriting letters into the financial industry on behalf of people who, demographically speaking, generally do not resemble the typical HNer with this problem, but who also felt incapable of avoiding the runaround.

Re: Your eBay account has been suspended

#89

Agreed with your sentiment that there needs to be some due process for these companies. Amazon has been holding $24,000 of my seller accounts proceeds for a year now stating that I "violated their TOS" by using the same IP address as my girlfriend uses (who was also an Amazon Seller). Both my and her accounts had perfect selling histories; weren't selling anything against tos, etc. I've been wanting to take them to c…

Did you try consulting some government authorities, about your case specifically?

$24K is a lot of money for most small businesses (or family side gigs), and most people can't afford to out-lawyer a huge company. Fortunately, one of the ideal roles of government is to protect the small from the large.

Were it me, since I'm in the US, but don't know which government authority would be most appropriate or effective, I'd probably first try my state AG's office. I'd ask if they're interested in this, and could look into it, or if they could suggest what other authority to ask.

If you ran out of topical government authorities, I suppose you could then contact your Congressperson's office, which could be a wildcard hero.

(The fashion is to Tweet one's way to customer service, but I still believe that government institutions can work.)

Re: Your eBay account has been suspended

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Sorry that happened to you. As some HNers know I have a long-time hobby of working customer service state machines, and I'm going to take the liberty of writing the most effective resolution path here for the general case, in case you or other HNers ever need to solve this. Live chat is probably staffed by external agents and they may have the least ability in the various tiers of the CS hierarchy to help with proble…

An aside for HNers, which I write as someone who had his first job in customer service: please remember, when interacting with customer service agents (and the various ops folks at companies that hire from very similar talent pools), that you (very likely, if you are on HN) are in a ridiculously fortunate position in life relative to the customer service agent, and that they did not write the state machine that made the poor decision about you. They're just following the arrows on that state machine.

You either want to discover the inputs needed to get the state machine to give you the outcome you want, or, you want to get this issue kicked from the CS/etc person you're talking to a fellow well-compensated professional who has substantial discretionary decisionmaking ability. None of this requires getting intemperate with a person who makes very little money and has a frequently soulcrushing job.

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