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Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by hirundo »

Hacker News has a similar problem with comments:

  net_votes = up_votes - down_votes
You need at least two of the above variables to get an idea of both the direction and magnitude of the voting. Hacker News provides only one: net_votes. YouTube used to provide up_votes and down_votes, effectively providing all three. Now YouTube has reduced its information to up_votes, so they're now down to one variable in the equation, as Hacker News has been all along.

The difference between 102+/100- votes and 2+/0- votes is large, but invisible on this site. I think it would be better for HN to go to where YouTube was, giving us an idea of both the net vote and the level of activity. Like up/down or up/total or net/total.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by jcun4128 »

wnevets wrote: post #39

Do people actually look at the votes before watching a video? I don't think I've ever done that on YouTube. The outrage over this just seems so manufactured to me.

It's helpful to spot fake stuff like fake trailers or some kind of scam.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by jcun4128 »

judge2020 wrote: post #21
paulpauper wrote: post #3

Dislikes still visible on incognito tab. Most fiction/speculative authors assumed tyranny would be from governments, not private companies. How wrong they were.

Dislikes are visible since it's an A/B test where they gradually put more and more people into group B until it's 100%. Only then will they stop sending the dislike count via the API.

I did notice this "recently" like there was a recent change before dislikes of making their icons thinner. I would notice it in one account but not another.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by TT-392 »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #23

Is this youtube staff purposefully deleting critical comments? Or is it anti-spam algorithms getting triggered by people flooding the comments sections of videos with the same inane comments? And/or getting flagged by creators and other youtube users? Frankly, I can't see most creators wanting their youtube video comments full of "BRING BACK THE DISLIKE BUTTON", and I could see lots of their fans being annoyed by suc…

I think it is automatic, a similar thing happens to me every so often. I am don't think it is related to the content of the comment, I barely even use youtube in the browser anymore and I barely ever leave a comment. I don't think I have left any comments that could be seen as offensive. The only thing that I could think of is that my ip is setting off some kind of spam protection because I watch so much youtube, just through youtube-dl + mpv. Idk what it is exactly, but I can confirm that something like what is shown in the vid happens to people, and that it is really frustrating.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by nitrogen »

1_player wrote: post #18
BitwiseFool wrote: post #6

I really hope this backfires spectacularly on YouTube and the zealots who pushed for this change are held professionally accountable. I already click on fewer videos in search results and recommendations because I can no longer gauge how worthwhile they are to try and watch. The end result? I'm sticking to my current channels. I can't be alone and knowing that YouTube takes recommended content so seriously, I have to…

Youtube doesn't f*** care. Where are you going to go watch your favorite content creators? Oh, they only upload on our platform? Thought so. They can do whatever they want and they won't lose a single user. In fact, I wanted to cancel my Youtube Premium, but I know it's not gonna affect their decision in the slightest, while I will hurt my favourite content creators as they won't get that thousandth of a cent they ge…

Where are you going to go watch your favorite content creators?

A lot of them are cross-posting to Odysee, and some are also on Nebula.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by Gigachad »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #10

It's stunning how often things like this get wildly upvoted. The video shows nothing at all about "YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count"; the guy shows a comment of his that has nothing to do with the dislike count getting deleted, although he asserts without evidence that this is related to a different comment he made (which was not deleted) regarding the dislike count. A lot of…

Tech companies get away with randomly and invisibly doing things to people which no one can verify or understand why. Yes of course we can't know why exactly this happened, but it's still youtube's fault for deleting all of these comments without explaining why.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by dilap »

wnevets wrote: post #39

Do people actually look at the votes before watching a video? I don't think I've ever done that on YouTube. The outrage over this just seems so manufactured to me.

Honestly, I was surprised to find that I miss the downvotes. I did quickly use it as a sort of gauge of "is this chopped or not".

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by webdoodle »

1_player wrote: post #18
BitwiseFool wrote: post #6

I really hope this backfires spectacularly on YouTube and the zealots who pushed for this change are held professionally accountable. I already click on fewer videos in search results and recommendations because I can no longer gauge how worthwhile they are to try and watch. The end result? I'm sticking to my current channels. I can't be alone and knowing that YouTube takes recommended content so seriously, I have to…

Youtube doesn't f*** care. Where are you going to go watch your favorite content creators? Oh, they only upload on our platform? Thought so. They can do whatever they want and they won't lose a single user. In fact, I wanted to cancel my Youtube Premium, but I know it's not gonna affect their decision in the slightest, while I will hurt my favourite content creators as they won't get that thousandth of a cent they ge…

I'd like to see torrent hosting become a thing. I don't like to leave my computer\network connected to the internet all the time, but would like to make video/audio I've produced available. A hosting provider that lets me upload my content and host it as a torrent would solve many of the problems we currently face with private gatekeepers deciding what can and can't be hosted, displayed, voted on, commented on etc.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by fletchowns »

wnevets wrote: post #39

Do people actually look at the votes before watching a video? I don't think I've ever done that on YouTube. The outrage over this just seems so manufactured to me.

It can be helpful on the DIY help videos (home improvement stuff, etc) where the author of the video may have something wrong or dangerous in the instructions. It's not the only indicator since we have comments as well, but it's certainly a useful indicator.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by travisd »

1_player wrote: post #77
Hamcha wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not related to the dislike feature in particular, but Youtube is definitely losing the next generation of creators. Plenty of people are using TikTok as their main platform nowadays, as it has bigger reach for their markets.

TikTok is targeting a different type of content, there is no competition with YouTube as we know it, which is videos longer than 10 minutes.

YouTube now has “shorts” but it’s definitely not the same since they aren’t able to emulate the TikTok culture.
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