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Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by ygra »

klausjensen wrote: post #76
branko_d wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel the same about Resharper. I stopped using it after many years simply because I could no longer bear the typing latency that is causes. I even bought a new laptop thinking the old hardware was to blame, only to discover the latency has barely improved. I'm now happy with "bare" Visual Studio 2022 - it may have fewer niceties, but I'm so much more productive!

Same for me. I tried "escaping" ReSharper a few times over the years (have used it for 10+ years) - but I kept crawling back after a few days or weeks feeling super handicapped without the features. I also bought new hardware - and noticed no real improvement (something about a fundamental threading problem, I think). About 6 months ago I was finally fed up and just accepted I would be slower and less productive in s…

The last feature that made me reinstall ReSharper was smart completion. Although by now IntelliCode seems to be often on par with it (plus some extras like automatically recognizing manual refactorings and offering them as actual refactorings).

As for refactorings and analyses: Roslynator is quite nice, but requires some tweaking which rules you really want enabled because it will otherwise cause lag as well.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by prigara »

thrower123 wrote: post #49
hhariri wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IntelliJ IDEA along with the platform is the largest team at JetBrains and we're constantly working on bugs and features. If you can please point me to the issues you're referring to in YouTrack, I can check the status.

There's been a long-standing issue in Rider and also Webstorm where you try to search globally with Ctrl-Shift-F, and the search UI comes up with the searchbar unfocused and pre-filled with something random. You type what you avtually want to search for, and it either goes nowhere, or tacks onto the end of whatever garbage was pre-populated in the search bar.

This sounds like this one: https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-201301 It's a third-party issue that we, unfortunately, can't properly address on our side but there's a workaround available.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by ygra »

nathantotten wrote: post #70

While they don’t specifically say what the “language server” is, if it’s the same protocol that powers VS Code[1], this is a big deal. It potentially means that language owners can build tooling that works across IDEs much more easily. Historically, JetBrains seems to have resisted the idea of a standard language protocol (which makes sense as it comes from Microsoft). My guess is it’s becoming impractical to reimple…

At least with TypeScript, they've been using the official language server for a while. Sadly they still fall back onto their own JS-esque 'guess what this could be' mode in some situations where vanilla TS would have just emitted an error that the respective module could not be found.

For C# Rider supports Roslyn analyzers and code fixers as well, though I don't know with what performance impact (as ReSharper isn't based on Roslyn this results in all analysis work being done twice, which can be noticeable).

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by doodpants »

> We built Fleet to be a fast and lightweight text editor for when you need to quickly browse and edit your code. It starts up in seconds so you can begin working immediately...

An editor that takes multiple seconds to start up doesn't strike me as "fast and lightweight".

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by albertzeyer »

sirsinsalot wrote: post #64

I get a horrible feeling in my stomach when I see these "remote" IDE options. I am very sure that they have their benefits, coding from a thin-client machine and having an "always on" session in the cloud ... But it feels like a slow errosion of our control and ownership of our tools. Where everything is becoming a rent-seeking opportunity and good tools are made available for a monthly rent. Personally I like having…

But this is here just about the software architecture design. This is kind of similar to the X Server and Client architecture. Or to games like Quake 3.

The server and client is by design separated, which potentially allows to run the server on some other host, and remotely connect to it.

But you can host your own server. And you can also just run it locally, and locally connect to it. You can even bundle it together.

I don't see how this is bad. Only if the server part would not be available to you, then yes, sure, this is bad. But otherwise, this is a very nice and flexible design.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

sirsinsalot wrote: post #64

I get a horrible feeling in my stomach when I see these "remote" IDE options. I am very sure that they have their benefits, coding from a thin-client machine and having an "always on" session in the cloud ... But it feels like a slow errosion of our control and ownership of our tools. Where everything is becoming a rent-seeking opportunity and good tools are made available for a monthly rent. Personally I like having…

On the subject of Apple making macOS a closed ecosystem, ala iOS, I have commented that they can't. They have to keep macOS a general purpose OS in order to write iOS apps. Someone else responded that they could move all iOS development to tools running in the clown, and this prospect makes me very nervous. I, too, like everything running locally, and have no desire for ANY of these remote tool ideas. It "solves" problems -- which I perceive -- relatively few of us have, but which companies would LOVE to corner the market on, and lock people into yet another walled garden.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by JohnWhigham »

nikitaga wrote: post #7

Meanwhile IntelliJ is rotting with months-old bugs that render entire features useless, with no fixes and no ETAs in sight. The only product that I pay money for that constantly, on almost every release, pains me with new bugs, a good portion of which are never fixed. I thought about using other Jetbrains products like DataGrip (and now this Fleet), but I'm not going to invest even more into a company that simply ref…

It's worrying because they're a private company, and part of me thinks this isn't only to capture a new segment of the market, but also a hedge for if/when their IntelliJ users start migrating to these cloud IDEs

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

albertzeyer wrote: post #85
sirsinsalot wrote: post #64

I get a horrible feeling in my stomach when I see these "remote" IDE options. I am very sure that they have their benefits, coding from a thin-client machine and having an "always on" session in the cloud ... But it feels like a slow errosion of our control and ownership of our tools. Where everything is becoming a rent-seeking opportunity and good tools are made available for a monthly rent. Personally I like having…

But this is here just about the software architecture design. This is kind of similar to the X Server and Client architecture. Or to games like Quake 3. The server and client is by design separated, which potentially allows to run the server on some other host, and remotely connect to it. But you can host your own server. And you can also just run it locally, and locally connect to it. You can even bundle it together…

That WOULD be great, IF they open sourced the server side. Otherwise, it's just one bad day away from some manager pulling the old switcheroo, and making the server a paid "pro" thing.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #88
albertzeyer wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But this is here just about the software architecture design. This is kind of similar to the X Server and Client architecture. Or to games like Quake 3. The server and client is by design separated, which potentially allows to run the server on some other host, and remotely connect to it. But you can host your own server. And you can also just run it locally, and locally connect to it. You can even bundle it together…

That WOULD be great, IF they open sourced the server side. Otherwise, it's just one bad day away from some manager pulling the old switcheroo, and making the server a paid "pro" thing.

Or, more in vein of recent business trends, some company acquiring the technology, and THEN making it pay-to-play.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by [deleted] »

cedws wrote: post #77
sirsinsalot wrote: post #64

I get a horrible feeling in my stomach when I see these "remote" IDE options. I am very sure that they have their benefits, coding from a thin-client machine and having an "always on" session in the cloud ... But it feels like a slow errosion of our control and ownership of our tools. Where everything is becoming a rent-seeking opportunity and good tools are made available for a monthly rent. Personally I like having…

No wonder developers complain about sluggishness and running out of memory when they're literally using a headless web browser to write code. Sublime Text works brilliantly. I can have tens of projects, hundreds of files open and the memory usage is peanuts. I don't get the hype about "modern" IDEs let alone remote IDEs.

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