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What Peng Shuai reveals about one-party rule

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Re: What Peng Shuai reveals about one-party rule

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Post by ginko »

pphysch wrote: post #57

> Ms Peng, who is 35, was doomed from the moment she posted her late-night essay. > The fate of Ms Peng could yet become grimmer. This is not journalism. There is nothing of objective substance to this piece. This is literally just smut for sinophobes. In 20 years we will look back at this incredible nonsense and wonder how we every got here. Hopefully.

You have to at least admit that the reaction of the Chinese government didn't help in the matter. If the post hadn't been immediately deleted and any discussion censored, if the government announced an open investigation and Peng Shuai were free to talk to media then none of this would have happened.

This lack of openness of the Chinese government on issues such as these is what essentially leaves what you call sinophobic media to write about it.

Re: What Peng Shuai reveals about one-party rule

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Post by pphysch »

guscost wrote: post #50
pphysch wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

laowhy86 is about as reliable a source on China as Alex Jones on Sandy Hook. Bottom of the gutter grifting.

Ok, do you have any recommendations for uh, China analysis YouTubers?

Sure. What topics/sectors are you interested in?

Re: What Peng Shuai reveals about one-party rule

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Post by ginko »

justicezyx wrote: post #19
AlexCoventry wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So how is the parallel relevant to an article titled "What Peng Shuai reveals about one-party rule"?

> This does not reveal anything more than what Lewinsky revealed about the US voting politics. They reveal the characteristics of how 2 systems play out the sexual scandal. Of course, the actual revealed facts are different.

So you do agree that it DID reveal something after all? Maybe not to you since you're more privy to how these things are handled in China, but maybe to Western readers.

Re: What Peng Shuai reveals about one-party rule

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Post by msoad »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #74
msoad wrote: post #52

Every time there is a story that criticizes China's Communist Party there is a flood of troll-like comments here in Hacker News. Lot of "What about X" comments and just general trolling and uncivil behavior. As a non-Chinese I never could understand the relationship of CCP, Chinese nationals and Chinese immigrants in the US and West. To me, it seems very hyocritcal to live in the Western societies and be very pro-CCP…

Ah yes fellow Chinese are bad at explaining to westerners. As a more westernized Chinese who started researching west-vs-China differences a few years ago, I could help you better understand -- if you are open minded enough and willing to change some of your views. Are you in? If so ask me anything, either here or in private.

Please go ahead and explain. I'm genuinely curious. The best defend I've heard is "my parents generation were farmers but now living in a nice apartment thanks to CCP so we are thankful for what they did..."

Re: What Peng Shuai reveals about one-party rule

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Post by FooBarWidget »

msoad wrote: post #84
FooBarWidget wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes fellow Chinese are bad at explaining to westerners. As a more westernized Chinese who started researching west-vs-China differences a few years ago, I could help you better understand -- if you are open minded enough and willing to change some of your views. Are you in? If so ask me anything, either here or in private.

Please go ahead and explain. I'm genuinely curious. The best defend I've heard is "my parents generation were farmers but now living in a nice apartment thanks to CCP so we are thankful for what they did..."

Ok what do you want to start with? It's a big topic.

Re: What Peng Shuai reveals about one-party rule

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Post by altern2 »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #23

The media's reporting on Peng Shuai's case is... let's say, incomplete. For a better picture, one should read her original Weibo post. Here is a translation: https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/qmn69a/full_transla... I've checked this translation and I agree with most of it.

The whole story is bs. She took some time of from social media after ending a complicated relationship and posting something she really shouldn't have.

Who had the right to declare her missing in the first place? Which meetings didn't she show up for? Which family members couldn't contact her?

Now that they've decided that she was missing the anti-china crowd are in the very convenient situation where they can discard everything they don't like.

She makes a statement to Chinese news? Fake. Forced. Doesn't sound right.

She posts pictures on wechat? Staged, deep-fake, oh and is that a Winnie the Pooh picture in the background? Clearly a cry for help!

She appears on video? They have a gun to her head! They are acting weird!

She talks to the IOC? Everyone knows China controls the IOC!

The only thing they will accept if she denounces Xi Jinping as the literal antichrist.

Re: What Peng Shuai reveals about one-party rule

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Post by narrator »

guscost wrote: post #22
yung_steezy wrote: post #8

The WTA have done an amazing job of raising the profile of this case and keeping the story in the media. I have to admit that despite watching a lot of tennis, prior to this incident I was not familiar with Peng Shai. Doubles tennis is a little bit like a sport within a sport though.

I can’t help but wonder how badly the CCP is actually fighting to suppress this, though - I think I heard laowhy86 argue that they might allow it to consume the news cycle, to distract from something else. Seeing this comment, and seeing e.g. CBS highlight the story, it really just seems fishy in general. Something is different - maybe we’re just in a new era, but who knows.

>I think I heard laowhy86 argue that they might allow it to consume the news cycle, to distract from something else.

Meanwhile in Xinjiang...

Re: What Peng Shuai reveals about one-party rule

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Post by AlexandrB »

pphysch wrote: post #71
AlexandrB wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny, I tried applying Occam's Razor and was not able to find the simplest conclusion. Especially since in (b) "Washington media" should actually read "WTA and the women's tennis community".

Please don't disingenuously pretend that you or 99% of the people unseriously frothing over this scandal are subscribed to WTA newsletters, and did not first hear about it from your corporate media sources.

I don't get how the method by which I learned of this is relevant to the reality of the situation. It's the WTA that's not satisfied with the "proof" offered for Peng Shuai's safety.

And I'm not pretending anything. I never even mentioned where I learned of this. You seem very defensive.

Re: What Peng Shuai reveals about one-party rule

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Post by msoad »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #85
msoad wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please go ahead and explain. I'm genuinely curious. The best defend I've heard is "my parents generation were farmers but now living in a nice apartment thanks to CCP so we are thankful for what they did..."

Ok what do you want to start with? It's a big topic.

Can you explain why a comment like this is posted here?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29344355

Re: What Peng Shuai reveals about one-party rule

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Post by FooBarWidget »

zarzavat wrote: post #76
boomskats wrote: post #42

I am not trying to defend China or the CCP in any way here, the situation is not defensible. However, I'm surprised that more comparisons haven't been made to the way the West has erased Julian Assange, and how easily he disappeared from our collective consciousness.

I don't think the situations are similar. Peng is not a dissident, she's a tennis player. And Assange has not been erased, his trial has been covered even in the mainstream media. The real difference, as the old story goes, is in the quality of the propaganda. The west has managed to convince its people that Assange is a bad person, a rapist even. Whereas China has not managed to convince many of its people that Peng…

People think Chinese propaganda is clever and insidious but in truth Chinese propaganda is extremely clumsy to the point of being essentially harmless in the west.

This is the typical level of Chinese propaganda: https://twitter.com/manyapan/status/1454346638596743173

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