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Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by bko »

gehatare wrote: post #69
roenxi wrote: post #57

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I think even from a practical perspective it is shaky - forced medical procedures are distasteful but they are already morally on the table for things like insanity and similar things where decision making is impaired. So the raw power to do it is probably there and the ethical line is always subject to negotiation. But how often are emergency powers of this nature rolled back? If governments put the monitoring syste…

We don't have mandatory smallpox vaccines in Austria anymore, even though we had them in the past. I really see no way how these energency powers will stay.

But you're using that precedent to mandate another treatment, so in a way they did stay around.

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by bko »

beberlei wrote: post #6

Austria has it especially hard since they earn a lot of money from outside tourism during the winter ski season, which is the prime season for higher covid numbers and hospitalization overload. Its a desperate measure as they seem to loose at least half of the winter season this year again.

Forcing their people to undergo a medical procedure to accommodate tourists and allow the private tourist industry to profit sounds even more dystopian. If they're worried about hospital capacity, they should build more hospitals or restrict tourism.

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by drodgers »

kavalg wrote: post #38
drodgers wrote: post #32

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> vaccinate you forcibly against your will. I heard that the latter is already happening in Australia Wow, the misinformation is intense . I'm in Australia, there is no forced vaccination, but you do need to be fully vaccinated to go to restaurants, events etc.

Thank you. This is one of the reasons I like HN! How about essential activities, such as going to work, school, institutions, banking, public transport etc? Do you need the vaccine to go there as well?

In my state — Victoria — you need to be vaccinated for non-essential retail locations (department stores, hairdressers etc), and to work in most on-premises roles (hospitality, office work, construction, schools etc). Students 12+ are elegible but not currently required to be vaccinated when attending school, though there's a pretty standard list of vaccines which are usually required for students to attend school, and I suspect the covid vaccine will make its way onto that list at some point.

Essential retail locations (food, pharmacies, laundries etc), and other essential services (public transport, government offices, medical facilities, consular services, banks) etc. do not require proof of vaccination, though many of them do require masks.

On the whole though, vaccination isn't a huge issue here: we're just crossing 90% (age 12+) fully vaccinated now. There are some small protests about the vaccine requirements, but they're very much in the minority.

Other states in Australia are slightly different in the details, but taking broadly the same approach.

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by soneil »

jmnicolas wrote: post #45
gehatare wrote: post #30

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Desperate times and all that. With a incident rate of >1000 (and a lot higher in some hotspots), hospitals are at their breaking point right now.

Meh. If it's like in France there's a lot of dramatization: we got an official report about last year: COVID represented 2% of all hospitalizations and 5% of intensive care.

numbers for a year aren't hugely useful. The issue is the concurrent rate, not the annual rate.

I'm in Ireland - the numbers given on Wednesday were 15 ICU beds free nationwide, with 40% of beds being used by covid patients.

An easy month and a tough month might average out over the year, it doesn't actually help anyone if there's a lack of beds during the tough month.

It's like the "HN hug of death" - if your server fell over when you needed it, it doesn't matter if you got no visitors for the rest of the year. The average is irrelevant.

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by thefz »

bko wrote: post #82
beberlei wrote: post #6

Austria has it especially hard since they earn a lot of money from outside tourism during the winter ski season, which is the prime season for higher covid numbers and hospitalization overload. Its a desperate measure as they seem to loose at least half of the winter season this year again.

Forcing their people to undergo a medical procedure to accommodate tourists and allow the private tourist industry to profit sounds even more dystopian. If they're worried about hospital capacity, they should build more hospitals or restrict tourism.

Here in Italy you receive forced vaccinations up until the age of 16. Some more are strongly encouraged after, see tethanus.

I can't understand why everyone is okay with vaccinating against polio after seeing its devastating and life altering effects on an unvaccinated adult, still refuse to protect themselves against a disease that killed millions in two years.

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by peteradio »

gambiting wrote: post #78
thinkingemote wrote: post #73

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>No one is going to be given the vaccine by force Yet. Remember that people said over a year ago that "no one will be denied access to facilities without a vaccine passport, that's ridiculous". And yet later on it has become somewhat accepted and even desired. If it saves lives and reduces harm perhaps people will also support force being used? There is no limit anymore, seems to me. Any means necessary seems to be s…

>>Remember that people said over a year ago that "no one will be denied access to facilities without a vaccine passport, that's ridiculous". I definitely didn't say that, I was very firmly in the group that thinks people should absolutely be denied access to things without the vaccine passport. Again, just like I'm fully in support of kindergardens not accepting kids that haven't been vaccinated - it's just not ok. A…

Its not right to deny rights to people who already have immunity.

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by sleepysysadmin »

Boy this slope is getting slippery.

Did you hear about new black trump virus? It's only killing black people, and named to mock Donald. It might have come from a lab but we won't be allowed to discuss that.

We immediately need a complete lockdown of all black people. Let's start with 2 weeks... also we have a 'vaccine' which comes with lots of asterisks. We had only 1 case, but this 'vaccine' might sterilize all black men.

Dont worry, we have done mandatory vaccinations before. It's safe, it's not like tuskegee again. No need for ethics evaluations.

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by gambiting »

peteradio wrote: post #86
gambiting wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Remember that people said over a year ago that "no one will be denied access to facilities without a vaccine passport, that's ridiculous". I definitely didn't say that, I was very firmly in the group that thinks people should absolutely be denied access to things without the vaccine passport. Again, just like I'm fully in support of kindergardens not accepting kids that haven't been vaccinated - it's just not ok. A…

Its not right to deny rights to people who already have immunity.

Sure, and some countries recognize that too - a covid passport means either being vaccinated or having immunity. Both should be an option.

Re: Austria makes Covid19 vaccination mandatory as of Feb 2022

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Post by tzs »

jmnicolas wrote: post #66
soco wrote: post #58

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Right now in Switzerland there's 16.8% COVID patients from the hospitalizations. Would you call this dramatization?

There is probably a wave of hospitalizations now like every year with the flu. When you average on a year it won't be as bad and won't justify trampling civil liberties. It's just a power grab IMHO and people are so afraid of COVID they just go along. But sadly we won't get our freedoms back once all this is over.

A hurricane doesn't raise the average wind speed for the year at your house by much. Yet you can't ignore it.

If I were to press the business end of my soldering iron onto your hand it would only raise the average amount of thermal energy that your hand absorbs this year by a negligible amount. Yet I'm pretty sure you would very strongly object.

Hospitals in many areas are being overwhelmed to a far greater extent than they are in even bad flu years. When you are going to need a hospital for something in the future that you can be flexible with scheduling, then you just need a hospital that on average has enough capacity. When you need a hospital now with no flexibility in timing, all that matters is if demand now is above what the hospital can serve.

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