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Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

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Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

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When two parties are signing any non-trivial contract the $2 service fee is insignificant. Reducing it to $0.25 or whatever else isn't going to convince anyone to switch over. It's the brand that matters, and Docusign has successfully built it.

DocuSign doesn’t have much of a brand. I don’t think anyone cares and their service isn’t distinguished. It’s just rent seeking.

They aren’t as bad as Ticketmaster. But their brand goodwill is similar.

Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

#82

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I'll never understand using "cheap" for a company name, especially when people who require signatures are usually in very professional environments. - They're positioning themselves to always compete on price, not offerings. - It's professionally embarrassing to use a product named "cheap" anything. I have so much trouble recommending namecheap.com to my clients because of this. They're reliable and budget friendly b…

I thought the same thing about SurveyMonkey, but here we are—it’s used everywhere, including for all kinds of SeriousBusiness™ use cases. I think if the product is really good enough, nobody cares what it is called. EDIT: Another example: NameCheap. Great service. Nobody cares that it has that in the name.

Regarding SurveyMonkey, pretty sure they changed their name to Momentive a while back.

Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

#83
post #3

Can anyone describe the target market here? Docusign and others have monthly sub rates that would drive the per-signature way lower for large volumes.

I'd ask directly - can OP describe the target market? Is there even a target market, or is this a vaporware landing page, just trying to see if anyone will bite?

Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

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post #4

I know bikeshedding about names is discouraged, but in the case of signatures, isn't there a desire to evoke a "trust" feeling? It's hard to tie "cheap" to "trust". Some other synonym like "eco" might project trust better.

Agree, and I like "eco" - would add "frugal", "efficient", "wise".

As a technologist, I would appreciate something more for less, like a record of of the signature's provenance.

Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

#85
post #55

When two parties are signing any non-trivial contract the $2 service fee is insignificant. Reducing it to $0.25 or whatever else isn't going to convince anyone to switch over. It's the brand that matters, and Docusign has successfully built it.

Imagine you are a real estate company that manages 10s of thousands of properties, and you have people sign an application fee, and then a lease agreement. If it’s trivial to switch over, why not save the 10s of thousands of dollars? Not all usecases are 1 on 1.

The lifetime value of each lease is in tens of thousands of dollars. Multiply that by tens of thousands of properties. Is a few thousand dollars in savings really that significant in that context? The application fee is paid by the renter regardless. And the value they are getting is what I mentioned – the Docusign brand. I'm much more likely to trust an agreement that is hosted on docusign.com than cheapsign.com or whatever else.

Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll never understand using "cheap" for a company name, especially when people who require signatures are usually in very professional environments. - They're positioning themselves to always compete on price, not offerings. - It's professionally embarrassing to use a product named "cheap" anything. I have so much trouble recommending namecheap.com to my clients because of this. They're reliable and budget friendly b…

I thought the same thing about SurveyMonkey, but here we are—it’s used everywhere, including for all kinds of SeriousBusiness™ use cases. I think if the product is really good enough, nobody cares what it is called. EDIT: Another example: NameCheap. Great service. Nobody cares that it has that in the name.

Different target personas.

SurveyMonkey is using a fun name for boring surveys.

NameCheap is positioning itself as the cheapest place to buy items that are already cheap. $5 at NameCheap vs $10 somewhere else.

If you sign a legally binding document for a property or a business deal, the last thing you want to hear is "let's do it the cheap way and save $1.75".

Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

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post #69
post #4

I know bikeshedding about names is discouraged, but in the case of signatures, isn't there a desire to evoke a "trust" feeling? It's hard to tie "cheap" to "trust". Some other synonym like "eco" might project trust better.

I disagree and don’t think of cheap as being bad. If used honestly, I think it’s a good way of using accurate language to describe a brand. Sometimes a cheap burger or a cheap taco is the best. For signatures, I think this works. I don’t think I would skimp on important, non-commodity things. I think it’s funny and off putting when brands try to overestimate their importance. I don’t want a “signature experience” jus…

> For signatures, I think this works. I don’t think I would skimp on important, non-commodity things.

But it doesn't really work for signatures. If I'm signing things related to my mortgage, or VC financing, or an affidavit or something, it isn't equivalent to "cheap taco," but rather something like "fancy fine dining."

I'd be willing to pay a premium to ensure nothing goes wrong with the documents that will delay a closing process. And if I were a lawyer or similar professional, I think I'd also want to convey that premium image. I'm not buying a "signature experience," but I might be a buying house, where a want a "trusted transaction." Which is why I'm hiring a professional and not going DIY.

Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

#88
So many of the commenters here are going to be dismayed to find out that it's $0.25 per signature, but you have to deposit $10 at a time to buy nonrefundable signature credits. (I'm speculating that the publisher will want to be able to accept credit cards without losing money on each transaction.)

Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

#89
post #31

DocuSign is completely free if all you use it for is to sign documents and download the signed copy. They only charge you for using the platform to return or send documents to be signed. I've used it for years at no cost at all.

I used to use Adobe Acrobat to sign with a cert, but I stopped because of Adobe malware installing all over my computer. So I started using free docusign for exactly this, and then started paying the $2 to have others sign so that they didn't have to install Adobe.

Now for $2 you can help people stop using Adobe. :)

Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

#90
post #4

I know bikeshedding about names is discouraged, but in the case of signatures, isn't there a desire to evoke a "trust" feeling? It's hard to tie "cheap" to "trust". Some other synonym like "eco" might project trust better.

It’s dangerous to compare any cost to trust. The two concepts are independent and do not overlap from experience.

But at least do yourself a favour and find another merit to sell your product on that isn’t ”cheaper than the usual guys”

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