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Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by josephcsible »

dboreham wrote: post #70
throwaway829 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CNN/MSNBC have misinformed you about Ivermectin. Do you think the inventors would get a Nobel Prize if it was just for horses? Advil is also used for horses but we don't misinform people and call it pain killer for horses. The new Pfizer drug, with 89% efficacy, is a protease inhibitor targeting 3CLPro. Ivermectin seems to also work as a protease inhibitor targeting 3CLPro. Repurposing a drug that we know is safe mea…

Unfortunately John Campbell has gone to the dark side a few months ago and no longer presents unbiased science.

It sounds a lot like you're saying "this scientist used to say things I agree with, but now he says things I disagree with, so you should ignore him now."

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by angelzen »

8note wrote: post #80
angelzen wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both: "Immunity: Protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected ." Before: "Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease , protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.…

> produce immunity But what is immunity, other than an immune response to the disease?

CDC definition I just quoted: "Immunity: Protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected."

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

#83

Post by throwawaysea »

ajross wrote: post #79
throwawaysea wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A couple comments: first, you know full well that your comment is aimed at everyone who considered use of ivermectin, not just “horse paste formulations” - rebranding ivermectin that way was part of the misinformation pushed by CNN and a significant portion of the political left as the COVID culture wars heated up, and it remains wrong still. Ivermectin is correctly described as a Nobel prize winning drug, not “horse…

Ivermectin. Does. Not. Work. To. Treat. Or. Prevent. Covid. Vaccines do. Those who refuse to treat with that reality are exactly the "horse paste set" I was referring to. And again, it will be decades before this mania you people have engaged in is understood.

I didn’t disagree with your first sentence. But calling it “horse paste” remains wrong. Referring to this as “mania” or referring to me as “you people” just makes you look unhinged and antagonistic, which is exactly what the actual mania in response to ivermectin was like.

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

#84

Post by throwawaysea »

8note wrote: post #78
throwawaysea wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A couple comments: first, you know full well that your comment is aimed at everyone who considered use of ivermectin, not just “horse paste formulations” - rebranding ivermectin that way was part of the misinformation pushed by CNN and a significant portion of the political left as the COVID culture wars heated up, and it remains wrong still. Ivermectin is correctly described as a Nobel prize winning drug, not “horse…

It's properly described as a Nobel winning treatment for parasites like worms. Saying drug is a bit vague, and you lose the same plot as calling it horse paste. It's not some cure all, appointed by the nobels as good for all your ailments

Agree it isn’t some cure all. However at the same time, I think it is valid for people to speculate and experiment and see if it can work. Dismissing it entirely removes room for experimentation and I don’t think it is the place of media or pharmacists to trivialize it at the start. Just as people were looking at it as a panacea with certainty, I think people on the other side of the debate became almost religious with their single track vaccine worship, particularly when it came to them mandating it. Somewhere in the middle is balance and civil discourse.

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by ajross »

throwawaysea wrote: post #83
ajross wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ivermectin. Does. Not. Work. To. Treat. Or. Prevent. Covid. Vaccines do. Those who refuse to treat with that reality are exactly the "horse paste set" I was referring to. And again, it will be decades before this mania you people have engaged in is understood.

I didn’t disagree with your first sentence. But calling it “horse paste” remains wrong. Referring to this as “mania” or referring to me as “you people” just makes you look unhinged and antagonistic, which is exactly what the actual mania in response to ivermectin was like.

Are you saying that the drug is not available in a veterinary paste formulation? Because it is. Are you saying people[1] were not finding and taking the veterinary form of this drug? No, because they were.

So... horse paste. People were taking horse paste for covid. And that's "right", not "wrong". It's just a fact. I submit that what you're really upset about isn't the truth of this matter but my refusal to engage in your face-saving spin.

But I won't. Because people were taking horse paste for covid. And that's insane. And it's equally insane to defend them for it.

[1] Unable to get doctors to prescribe or pharmacies to supply a drug that everyone rational can see has no business being prescribed for a viral infection, especially one with a working vaccine.

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by ajross »

throwawaysea wrote: post #84
8note wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's properly described as a Nobel winning treatment for parasites like worms. Saying drug is a bit vague, and you lose the same plot as calling it horse paste. It's not some cure all, appointed by the nobels as good for all your ailments

Agree it isn’t some cure all. However at the same time, I think it is valid for people to speculate and experiment and see if it can work. Dismissing it entirely removes room for experimentation and I don’t think it is the place of media or pharmacists to trivialize it at the start. Just as people were looking at it as a panacea with certainty, I think people on the other side of the debate became almost religious wi…

> I think it is valid for people to speculate and experiment and see if it can work.

This wasn't a scientific study! People were eating horse paste. There were literally multiple overdose events reported.

You think it's... "valid" to go to your local farm supply store and chug down random drugs because someone on Facebook told you to?

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by joeman1000 »

dboreham wrote: post #70
throwaway829 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CNN/MSNBC have misinformed you about Ivermectin. Do you think the inventors would get a Nobel Prize if it was just for horses? Advil is also used for horses but we don't misinform people and call it pain killer for horses. The new Pfizer drug, with 89% efficacy, is a protease inhibitor targeting 3CLPro. Ivermectin seems to also work as a protease inhibitor targeting 3CLPro. Repurposing a drug that we know is safe mea…

Unfortunately John Campbell has gone to the dark side a few months ago and no longer presents unbiased science.

So many people make appeals to ‘science’ as if it’s some big monolith hanging in the sky. This is the first article I’ve come across that isn’t just a qualitative piece of propaganda designed to scare me. I appreciate actual statistics and ‘science’ that I can investigate. I’m a trained scientist and I’m struggling to find proper analyses that I can read with regards to this vaccine. Every time I hear a politician tell me “you have to be vaccinated because you have to be vaccinated” it just pisses me off so much. I try to be rational, and I can’t make a decision just because I’m scared. Give me the science and statistics please leaders!

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by dang »

ajross wrote: post #3

tl;dr: Vaccination status correlates with a 13x reduction of infection risk and a 20x reduction of death risk. Now, to be clear that's a confounded number. The vaccinated are also likely to be taking other mitigation strategies seriously. So the vaccine itself will be somewhat less effective than this. Nonetheless, this is pretty damning for the horse paste set. In decades to come we'll wonder and think and study how…

You set off a hellish flamewar with that swipe, and then you perpetuated it worse (by far) than any other commenter in this thread). That's egregiously against the site guidelines. You unfortunately have a long history of doing this and we've had to ask you multiple times, going back years, to stop. Seriously not cool.

We ban accounts that do this. If you don't want to be banned, please don't do anything like this again—not just your root comment here, but your many other aggressive comments in this thread. In fact it seems like every single one of the 10 comments you posted to this thread has badly broken the site guidelines. That sort of spree is beyond bannable offense. I don't want to ban you, so please restrain yourself from doing this in the future.

No matter how right you are or feel you are, no matter how wrong other people are or you feel they are, it is not ok to destroy the ecosystem like this. I'm sure you wouldn't set fires in a dry forest or in a public building, so please don't set them here. And please don't pour fuel or throw additional flammables in there either.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

p.s. Lest anyone misunderstand this as somehow cryptically taking the other side of the argument—I'm not. I'm simply concerned with preventing users from burning this place down. It doesn't matter what color the flames are.

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

#89

Post by dang »

ajross wrote: post #79
throwawaysea wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A couple comments: first, you know full well that your comment is aimed at everyone who considered use of ivermectin, not just “horse paste formulations” - rebranding ivermectin that way was part of the misinformation pushed by CNN and a significant portion of the political left as the COVID culture wars heated up, and it remains wrong still. Ivermectin is correctly described as a Nobel prize winning drug, not “horse…

Ivermectin. Does. Not. Work. To. Treat. Or. Prevent. Covid. Vaccines do. Those who refuse to treat with that reality are exactly the "horse paste set" I was referring to. And again, it will be decades before this mania you people have engaged in is understood.

Perpetuating flamewar will get you banned here. Internet snark tropes make it worse. No more of this, please—no matter how right you are or feel you are.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

#90

Post by ajross »

dang wrote: post #88
ajross wrote: post #3

tl;dr: Vaccination status correlates with a 13x reduction of infection risk and a 20x reduction of death risk. Now, to be clear that's a confounded number. The vaccinated are also likely to be taking other mitigation strategies seriously. So the vaccine itself will be somewhat less effective than this. Nonetheless, this is pretty damning for the horse paste set. In decades to come we'll wonder and think and study how…

You set off a hellish flamewar with that swipe, and then you perpetuated it worse (by far) than any other commenter in this thread). That's egregiously against the site guidelines. You unfortunately have a long history of doing this and we've had to ask you multiple times, going back years, to stop. Seriously not cool. We ban accounts that do this. If you don't want to be banned, please don't do anything like this ag…

You've editted that comment a number of times trying to explain why you flagged my top comment. Maybe... the initial comment wasn't actually all that bad? "Horse paste" really isn't a "swipe". It is a term used in exasperation for sure, but it is indeed a correct term for the drug preparation and how it was used by the community eating it.

I'll take the hit on the responses, though. It's very hard to leave things like that alone, but I'll try.

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