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Google sends anti-regulation propaganda to small businesses using Google Maps

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Re: Google sends anti-regulation propaganda to small businesses using Google Maps

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This is inexcusably disgusting. Reminds me of the bullshit Amazon feeds their employees about unions.

I may be wrong since i'm not american, but it seems like unions are generally a controversial topic in the US.

At least three reasons:

1) A whole lot of propaganda effort has gone into spreading anti-union sentiment for at least over a century, from the very deep pockets of the richest private actors in the world, like Amazon. Since they managed to capture half the politicians, it has become a culture war issue to the point that being pro and anti union is more a marker of personal identity than a reasoned position.

2) Historically, America's largest unions were often controlled by organized crime, which prevented competition and fixed prices at an artificially high level so mob bosses could get a cut and "consultants" who didn't actually do anything could be put on payroll so someone who owned 20 houses without having a real job could deflect scrutiny from the IRS. Since a lot of what was priced so high because of this was public works construction, it impacted everyone, and gave unions generally a bad reputation.

3) People like me who have never been in a "real" union, but still might have stupid one-off college jobs that nonetheless required you to join a union, have their only exposure come through something ineffective that isn't providing any actual benefits but is taking a cut of your already low pay anyway. For whatever reason, I had to join a union to work at Disneyland, but that didn't prevent me from making $10 an hour, didn't prevent my friend from practically getting her leg burned off and having it blamed on her with no disability assistance, and didn't prevent me from getting laid off when they downsized entertainment.

On the other hand, my dad was a plumber and his union seemed to bring him real benefit. But in a white collar environment like Hacker News, or pretty much anywhere you're likely to hang out on the Internet, anyone who has ever been in a union at all was more likely in something like the Disneyland union.

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Google Maps may silently be Alphabet's most powerful property. As someone who has spent the last 8 months religiously degoogling my life, I've found that Google Maps features are incredibly hard to replace, while at the same time, giving Google direct abilities to influence behavior in the physical world. People see it as "just a map", but it's so much more. OSM-based map tools are pretty good as maps, but they utter…

I’ve tried to switch to Apple maps a few times. Most recently was last weekend I used it for navigation directions. The problem this time was on Google maps your route in the display is annotated with small white arrows at the point where you turn off your current road on to a turning or slip road. On Apple maps you don’t get that, you just see a continuous blue curve with no visual indication where the turns are. Ba…

The worst part of Apple Maps is bizarre Yelp integration. I have to install an app and register just to see photos and read reviews?

Other than that it works pretty well for me.

Re: Google sends anti-regulation propaganda to small businesses using Google Maps

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Google Maps may silently be Alphabet's most powerful property. As someone who has spent the last 8 months religiously degoogling my life, I've found that Google Maps features are incredibly hard to replace, while at the same time, giving Google direct abilities to influence behavior in the physical world. People see it as "just a map", but it's so much more. OSM-based map tools are pretty good as maps, but they utter…

I think OSM is amazing. Way better at mapping than Google. When I hike I'm just walking in a green square in Google maps. OSM has every trail and hillslope etc. But what OSM lacks is real-time integration with public transport. If my bus is slow or redirected Google will tell me. I don't think this can be improved by the users. It really needs a data feed from the transport operators :'(

Transportr is a decent Android app for getting public transport directions with OSM. https://f-droid.org/packages/de.grobox.liberario

Missing real-time service updates, but otherwise good.

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I don't use their services and yet my livelihood is entirely dependent on them (and Facebook). That's how bad it is.

You get a service that your livelihood depends on. It seems to me like the proper response is more like gratitude.

I'm very grateful that the mob didn't break my thumbs.

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I may be wrong since i'm not american, but it seems like unions are generally a controversial topic in the US.

Unions are relatively controversial everywhere. In the UK and other parts of Europe, for instance, they also divide opinion, either generally or in specific cases where they are accused of over-reach. In the US I get the impression they are more controversial, perhaps because they are less common (so it is easier for those against to make mountains out of molehills because the public in general are less aware where t…

I can't wrap my head around it if you see what Police Unions do on a daily bases for their members everyone working a normal job should see that they might benefit themselves.

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> Google Maps may silently be Alphabet's most powerful property. Except it's easy for a competitor to scrape Maps and build their own using OSM.

Except it's not. Apple has basically unlimited resources and tried. While it's a decent navigation option at this point, it continues to fall short wrt everything else if compared to Google maps.

If you have unlimited resources, you can try to contact all business owners and ask them if they would like a presence on Apple Maps.

They didn't do that, so my conclusion is either they don't have unlimited resources or they simply didn't really try hard enough.

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I disagree. First, Google (and FB/amzn, which also have dogs in this) are extremely powerful within the media industry. So, their shadow looms very long here. Second, thinking of these issues as running via media through to an informed public to an attentive political structure is far too naive. Political mechanisms are rarely about for Vs against. It's about defining the debate, legislation and it's details. Google…

> First, Google (and FB/amzn, which also have dogs in this) are extremely powerful within the media industry. So, their shadow looms very long here. In what way? They've received nothing but trashing from media these last few years and very little positive coverage.

For example, many media around here (NL) are positively salivating over Facebook's Metaverse, uncritically chanting like it's the best thing since sliced bread.

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> When I do routing I can route by walking, transit, driving etc. It seems to know every train / bus route and stop and even schedule. Not only that but they seem to route through the "most popular" or "most attended routes" crowdsourced by their unaware users. Meanwhile others just calculate the "best time" or "shortest path" routing.

One thing I regularly encounter is a typical "Tragedy of the Commons" problem with Google Maps. When they do route me, they often tend to route me through residential areas (in Germany these are often traffic reduced areas with respective speed limits). I imagine it is, because these routes tend to be very slightly shorter and often also at least a few seconds shorter in average duration. I tend to use these "Schleic…

In The Netherlands these shortcuts are usually removed or made less attractive. For example, closing a street halfway, so people can still reach both ends, but can't pass through.

Or they build a retractable bollard that will delay traffic during high traffic hours. The delay is just long enough that using the shortcut takes longer than just using the main road.

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Google Maps may silently be Alphabet's most powerful property. As someone who has spent the last 8 months religiously degoogling my life, I've found that Google Maps features are incredibly hard to replace, while at the same time, giving Google direct abilities to influence behavior in the physical world. People see it as "just a map", but it's so much more. OSM-based map tools are pretty good as maps, but they utter…

I think we'll have to have regulators step in at some point in another area - nowadays more and more cars are shipping with Android Automotive where Google Maps are the main(and only) map provider for the satnav. So no matter how you feel about Google - you have to use their product to operate the car fully.

> Google Maps are the main(and only) map provider for the satnav

Source? I've never heard of this. Maps has no relationship to the car's built-in navigation anyway.

Every car I've used with Google Maps has both, but you have to pay a fee to use the built-in navigation app.

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I've found that overall, for public transport, HERE maps is a feasible alternative in most cases, here's a quick example of how a route might look (though there is a mobile app available as well, IMO the performance is much better than Google Maps'): https://wego.here.com/directions/publicTransport/Riga-Intern... Now, of course, Google probably still has more real time data in this regard, especially since it's possi…

HERE WeGo is a great alternative to Google Maps. It works on Android, iOS, and web. Business data is pulled from TripAdvisor. (The app store ratings for HERE WeGo are a bit low because they recently rewrote the app and the first few versions were unstable. The rewrite added lane guidance, which is a useful feature to have for driving directions.) - HERE WeGo (web): https://wego.here.com - HERE WeGo (Android): https:/…

Watch out - it has Facebook malware in it. The app constantly pings Facebook in the background and includes device data (and potentially location data?).
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