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Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

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Post by lazyeye »

Imnimo wrote: post #65
lazyeye wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As compared to big tech which gets to "spout whatever they want" via censorship and controlling the discourse. And everyone has to hear it.

I mean that's the beauty of it. I get to choose whether I want to hear Twitter's version of discourse or NoFILTER's version, or neither. So when people I'm unlikely to want to listen to decide to go to NoFILTER, that's a win for me.

I dont think they are mutually exclusive. Its perfectly possible to create self-regulated forums that function well without big tech being involved. I think we've have been conditioned to believe that people like Mark Zuckerberg and Jack Dorsey are the best people to provide this kind of environment. I dont think this is remotely true.

Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

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Post by tzs »

lliamander wrote: post #72
spencerflem wrote: post #50

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voat, the free speech version of Reddit went down this path very quickly. Most forums don't tolerate obvious hate speech, so the people who want to do that have to go to places that promise 'no moderation'

Voat is a pretty famous and obvious example, sure. But how many people who like to bring up voat actually visited the site or tried to use it? Did you? For the record, I've never visited voat, so I don't know how accurate the reports are. I can say that I have visited other forums with very lax moderation, and the caricature of "screaming the N-word in everyone's face" doesn't seem accurate. Generally the reason I av…

I visited voat on occasion to see how it was working out, mostly checking out the groups that were not inherently political, such as /v/science and /v/movies.

Here is a description of such a visit shortly before they shut down [1].

I generally saw a lot more anti-Jew stuff than anti-Black stuff, but when a Black person came up there was a good chance someone would use the N word.

They could usually even make their anti-Black stuff be about Jews too. For example in /v/movies there was a discussion of the 2020 "Call of the Wild" movie. People were upset that one of the sled dog team drivers was played by a Black actor. They believed this was part of some nefarious plot by the Jews that control Hollywood.

I remember also seeing quite a bit of outrage over Asian and Black actors in The Mandalorian. I think I only saw one post that specifically complained about how absurd it was to have "s in space" but a whole lot of agreement with the idea that all the actors in space shows should be white.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25502118

Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

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Post by vit05 »

gorwell wrote: post #31
feoren wrote: post #5

Every single time someone tries something like this, it becomes a bastion for hate speech and everyone else is driven away. It turns out most people actually like a moderated forum. If you joined a book club and every meeting had people just screaming the N-word at the top of their lungs the entire time, I suspect you wouldn't stay at that book club long. Yet time and time again we see people learning this same lesso…

Oh please. Usenet was a free speech platform. IRC was a free speech platform. The 90s internet was a free speech ecosystem and the prevailing ethos was anti censorship. And guess what? It wasn't an endless hellscape. It was great, mostly. We're just caught up in the middle of a moral panic and the church ladies from SNL have come out of the woodwork, flapping their arms about how everything is s/satanic/racist.

Probably because they weren't platforms with the sole purpose of being a space for free speech. The problem with these new platforms and sites is that they are generally copies, worse than the originals, of larger platforms that have the only attraction of being free from moderation.

They only see this problem and try to solve it in the worst way. Accepting everything and everyone, offering a confusing experience, financially unattractive and often need to charge dearly for it.

Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

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Post by chomp »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #78
chomp wrote: post #14

I smiled at their George Washington quote; people who know George Washington's stance on free speech (e.g. his support for the Sedition Act) understand that he drew the line of free speech much more harsh than what we do today.

You must smile a lot if you smile every time someone quotes someone else though they don't agree with everything they've ever said and done.

Iron manning your own argument or appealing to authority are fallacious ways to make an argument. Boiled down, quotes usually are just propaganda.

It's funny because if you're going to indulge in fallacy to get your point across, at least appeal to the right authority. Only problem with that is it's pretty hard to find an authority that doesn't believe in some form of the harm principle. The closest I can think of is John Stuart Mill, who said, quote:

"Society can and does execute its own mandates ... it practises a social tyranny more formidable than many kinds of political oppression, since, though not usually upheld by such extreme penalties, it leaves fewer means of escape, penetrating much more deeply into the details of life, and enslaving the soul itself. Protection, therefore, against the tyranny of the magistrate is not enough..."

Which is along the lines of the views pitched here... and Mill _invented_ the harm principle!

I do smile a lot. The alternative is a sinking feeling when I read sites like the one linked here that I personally feel like wouldn't exist if the creators embraced a little more empathy and understanding of natural rights.

Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

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Post by amadeuspagel »

chomp wrote: post #84
amadeuspagel wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must smile a lot if you smile every time someone quotes someone else though they don't agree with everything they've ever said and done.

Iron manning your own argument or appealing to authority are fallacious ways to make an argument. Boiled down, quotes usually are just propaganda. It's funny because if you're going to indulge in fallacy to get your point across, at least appeal to the right authority. Only problem with that is it's pretty hard to find an authority that doesn't believe in some form of the harm principle. The closest I can think of is…

Is the printing press compatible with this "harm principle"? With "natural rights"? Is the internet? Is wordpress? Would you deny the basic empathy of the people who created these things?

Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

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Post by chomp »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #85
chomp wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iron manning your own argument or appealing to authority are fallacious ways to make an argument. Boiled down, quotes usually are just propaganda. It's funny because if you're going to indulge in fallacy to get your point across, at least appeal to the right authority. Only problem with that is it's pretty hard to find an authority that doesn't believe in some form of the harm principle. The closest I can think of is…

Is the printing press compatible with this "harm principle"? With "natural rights"? Is the internet? Is wordpress? Would you deny the basic empathy of the people who created these things?

I’m not sure what your argument is. The technology you listed and nofilter are similar in that they are just tools. The creators are well within their rights to create anything they want.

Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

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Post by Imnimo »

lazyeye wrote: post #81
Imnimo wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean that's the beauty of it. I get to choose whether I want to hear Twitter's version of discourse or NoFILTER's version, or neither. So when people I'm unlikely to want to listen to decide to go to NoFILTER, that's a win for me.

I dont think they are mutually exclusive. Its perfectly possible to create self-regulated forums that function well without big tech being involved. I think we've have been conditioned to believe that people like Mark Zuckerberg and Jack Dorsey are the best people to provide this kind of environment. I dont think this is remotely true.

How can there be "self-regulation" on a platform that is "unstoppable, uncensorable, undeplatformable"?

I certainly agree that there are plenty of valuable forums that are not run by tech giants, but they function because they have dedicated moderation and censorship. The trouble is that the set of things I think people should be allowed to say is extremely large, but set of things I want to see in a forum or any sort of social media is much smaller. It doesn't have to be Jack Dorsey at the helm, but someone has to be sweeping up the filth to make a forum a place I want to interact with.

Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

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Post by petre »

0des wrote: post #55
petre wrote: post #40

Well, it's promoted with anti vax puctures. Great.

I'm curious what type of content you believe requires/prefers claimed uncensorable mediums of being published. Do you envision it being movie reviews and cake recipes, or can you imagine that ideologies prone to being censored may make up the lion's share of that content?

Xinjiang human rights abuses? US drone attacks on civilians, journalists and other innocent bystanders? Deplatformed LGBTQ+ content?

However, these mediums are more frequently used to promote conspiracy theories, like the ones anti vaxxers spread and only lead to more covid victims, brainwashing leading to Q-anon types that have recently stormed the US Capitol, IS recruitment PR, CP etc. Oh and the video starts with the deplatforming of President Trump, a former head of state with a trolling habit, as if this was a net loss for the rest of us? Promoting your app with this type of content, plus the name and the subtitle in almost all caps is quite telling.

Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

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Post by user-the-name »

useragent86 wrote: post #48
user-the-name wrote: post #17

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At some point you really do have to stop giving people the benefit of the doubt and accept that, yes, people keep making these services because they want to be racist. The purpose of a system is what it does.

Have you considered this? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29165559

Conspiratorial garbage. Zero evidence in favour of this and tons against.

Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

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Post by 0des »

user-the-name wrote: post #89
useragent86 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you considered this? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29165559

Conspiratorial garbage. Zero evidence in favour of this and tons against.

What would be some examples of the 'against'?
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