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Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by Frondo »

kbd wrote: post #51

Is there any reason I should care about .NET today if I'm not already in the ecosystem? I've done C# professionally in the past, and C# is a good language. I wish Microsoft focused on open source and wider industry adoption for C#/.NET sooner so that it could have taken some share from Java. Now .NET is finally open source but Microsoft is a bad steward of the open source ecosystem for .NET, and I certainly wouldn't…

I've spent much of my money-making programming time doing CRUD web apps in PHP. Several years ago, when .NET Core was in its infancy, I had the chance to try a different language for a new/different CRUD web app.

The .NET Core ecosystem was a lot sparser back then but picking up the language was actually the most pleasant "learn a new language and be productive in it" experience I've ever had, and I don't think I'd ever turn away from it now. YMMV, of course, depending on how much you like whatever you're writing in now.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by b8 »

I'm glad that Openssl 3 and more support for WASM was added. I doubt that anyone will use WASM though.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by dustinmoris »

jekude wrote: post #34

As a relatively new engineer (~2 years FAANG experience), there seems to be a connotation around .NET. Perhaps this is indicative of the larger Microsoft ecosystem, but it feels like my peers at university and in the industry tend to stay far away from .NET for personal projects, etc. Why is this?

.NET is a difficult platform for people to learn programming, that's probably why. I've sum'd up everything that I think make it quite hard for programming beginners in the article below:

https://dusted.codes/dotnet-for-beginners

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by b8 »

kbd wrote: post #51

Is there any reason I should care about .NET today if I'm not already in the ecosystem? I've done C# professionally in the past, and C# is a good language. I wish Microsoft focused on open source and wider industry adoption for C#/.NET sooner so that it could have taken some share from Java. Now .NET is finally open source but Microsoft is a bad steward of the open source ecosystem for .NET, and I certainly wouldn't…

C# is good for game development, building applications with sockets or creating small GUI applications. Though I admit that I have a bias since C# was the first language that I learned to program with. Plus C# has garbage collection and multithreading!

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by jmnicolas »

gmueckl wrote: post #5

.NET 6 seems like a pretty good release with a few cool new features. But it's funny how the infographic in the post mentions MAUI for desktop development, but the "desktop" keyword in the text is referring to the WinForms github repository. I can't think of a more concise statement about the state of GUI development on .NET. I would really wish for less fragmentation and churn in that space.

Instead of chasing the next Microsoft fad, I've decided to try AvaloniaUI for my next graphical app.

It looks mature enough now, and has a better chance of being still useful in 5 years from now than WinUI or MAUI or whatever is the latest GUI tech MS wants us to use.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by mattferderer »

kbd wrote: post #51

Is there any reason I should care about .NET today if I'm not already in the ecosystem? I've done C# professionally in the past, and C# is a good language. I wish Microsoft focused on open source and wider industry adoption for C#/.NET sooner so that it could have taken some share from Java. Now .NET is finally open source but Microsoft is a bad steward of the open source ecosystem for .NET, and I certainly wouldn't…

* Runs great on Linux in my experience & others

* Great performance - https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r20&hw=...

* Open source - Microsoft has made a lot of missteps but they have came a very long way. The bright side is both how far they've came & the outcomes of the recent missteps.

* Very productive toolset imo. I focus mostly on web based tech though. I really like the syntax & type system.

* Swiss Army Knife in that you can use .NET to do just about any type of project - Web (front & back end), mobile, games, IoT, desktop, machine learning, etc.

* You can use C# & F# syntax, both very popular (though let's all be honest, F# is a 2nd class citizen in .NET but it's got a great fan base)

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by spaetzleesser »

slownews45 wrote: post #17
gmueckl wrote: post #5

.NET 6 seems like a pretty good release with a few cool new features. But it's funny how the infographic in the post mentions MAUI for desktop development, but the "desktop" keyword in the text is referring to the WinForms github repository. I can't think of a more concise statement about the state of GUI development on .NET. I would really wish for less fragmentation and churn in that space.

Replace ".NET" with "Windows" maybe? AS a longtime original VB/Winforms developer - MS lost their mind on desktop development and didn't look back. They chased EVERY fad that could be chased. Silverlight, UPF, XAML, WPF, Islands, MAUI. This is one of those things - imagine if they'd focused on building an amazing and cross platform (ultimately) toolkit with just a basic drag and drop designer? Who cares about "stylin…

And the crazy thing is that all these frameworks were basically incompatible variations of the same thing. Since WPF nothing has really gotten better. Just different for no good reason.

I will never bet on any new MS desktop development framework anymore . It’s either WPF or preferably web (even Electron) for me.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by sedatk »

pbreit wrote: post #69
SloopJon wrote: post #42

> Supported for three years as the latest long term support (LTS) release. This is the first thing I look for in these announcements. .NET 6 is the successor to .NET Core 3.1.

Three years doesn't seem very "long".

True, but it requires way less effort to upgrade to a newer .NET.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by jonathanlydall »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #43
sedatk wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole runtime gets included in the binary.

Does this mean you need one binary per OS so that the runtime matches, or do they do some magic so that one single binary can run on all Oses ?

You create a single binary which has the runtime and dependencies self contained within.

You of course have to choose your target platform for this as it makes .exes for Windows, ELFs for Linux, etc.

If you want you can still choose to distribute IL DLLs and users then use their already installed dotnet on their machine to run them.

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Post by vips7L »

UglyToad wrote: post #49
jekude wrote: post #34

As a relatively new engineer (~2 years FAANG experience), there seems to be a connotation around .NET. Perhaps this is indicative of the larger Microsoft ecosystem, but it feels like my peers at university and in the industry tend to stay far away from .NET for personal projects, etc. Why is this?

Perceived cool factor, I think. Both .NET/C# and Java are the core of Dark Matter Development [0]. They're what a huge chunk of developers and enterprise actually use but they're not cool and they don't get blogged about. Obviously the history of EEE and Windows only legacy means there's a lot of hostility to anything .NET specifically amongst a subpopulation of developers. However I don't think it sufficiently expla…

IMO Java/.NET just don't get blogged about _on this site_. If you visit /r/Java, /r/dotnet etc, you'll actually find the content about them.
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