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Denuvo-Protected Games Rendered Unplayable After Domain Expires

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Re: Denuvo-Protected Games Rendered Unplayable After Domain Expires

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Post by Macha »

jimbob45 wrote: post #57
dageshi wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really only to protect the launch window. Most games will be discounted later on to the point where they're more or less affordable to everyone. But if someone pirates on release they'll never be inclined to buy at that lower price later on.

Not only this but for some games, the launch window is all they’ll have because the game is terrible. This works as insurance to make sure they make some money.

Also DRM vendors (like Denuvo) have moved to a more aaS licensing model and homegrown DRM solutions fall so quickly they're out of fashion, so there's financial incentive to stop paying licensing costs for games in their long tail phase for sales.

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Post by lostcolony »

acdha wrote: post #73
lostcolony wrote: post #45

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I'd go one further (in the other direction). If someone "ran the numbers", I'm quite sure they would have made them public. Because no consumer wants DRM (some are ambivalent, some hate it, but no one is like "oh, thank goodness, DRM"), and the inclusion of DRM by other companies does not threaten your market share, a company has nothing to lose, and only to gain (good will) if they were to release those figures and…

It’s not that simple because there’s no objective way to get a number for the most important question: how many people would have bought if they couldn’t pirate it? The publishers have quoted estimates which basically assume 100% conversion and I’d be quite surprised if there weren’t senior managers who wholeheartedly believed that because if your job amounts to “sell more” that’s a very tempting way to say that not…

I never said it was simple. Your example is exactly the sort of thing I was referencing when I said "or realize it is so easy to poke holes in that they shouldn't". Because, obviously, assuming every IP on a torrent swarm (or whatever) is a lost sale is fallacious.

Re: Denuvo-Protected Games Rendered Unplayable After Domain Expires

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Post by hota_mazi »

shmde wrote: post #35
GuB-42 wrote: post #26

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Well used, Denuvo is not that bad. It is misuse that cause games to become slow or unplayable. And generally, it only serves to protect the first few months of sales, it is not uncommon to strip out DRM after that. Indie games often don't need it (and don't do it). AAA games are a different story. Including DRM is a significant expense in a low budget game, these games are usually cheaper, and people are often more s…

> Well used, Denuvo is not that bad. Ubisoft admitting that Denuvo ( idk why they used the term third party lol ) causes PC stuttering. https://gamerant.com/ubisoft-third-party-software-pc-stutter... Resident evil 8 runs better when it is stripped off its denuvo protection. As confirmed by Digital foundry's video. https://youtu.be/UXZGCwAJpbM https://www.pcgamer.com/resident-evil-village-drm-denuvo-stu... You will no…

> Trust me when I say people who pirate are usually the ones who never ever buy video games

Why would we trust you? This is just you speaking for yourself.

I used to pirate and when I couldn't, I bought the games. I'm probably not the only one.

The fact that publishers routinely spend millions of dollars on DRM is evidence that DRM works at protecting their sales. They wouldn't throw this kind of money with hundreds of experts crunching the numbers if it wasn't valuable for them.

Money speaks, while you are just making claims without any evidence.

Re: Denuvo-Protected Games Rendered Unplayable After Domain Expires

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Post by BizarroLand »

agilob wrote: post #68
vimda wrote: post #60

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I suspect that a lot of that 40% are people who pirate it to try it out before purchasing. What ever happens to demo disks and the like? I miss that

Yup, the only two companies I can trust with game quality are Sega and Valve, all the rest either have toxic communities or had major fuckups with quality, performance or plots, and I don't trust them with $4.99 at all.

I like the rockstar approach. Have a local player game that has a story and a lot of fun mechanics, and then have an online version with fun side quests and adventures with your friends. Totally worth the $50 cost of entry.

Re: Denuvo-Protected Games Rendered Unplayable After Domain Expires

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Post by IYasha »

When games required CDs to run - I had to apply No-CDs. Because CDs were fragile and expensive. When games started to require online DRM - I had to apply No-Steam patches. Because I am rarely online and value my privacy. Even though I legally bought those games, DRM causes so much inconvenience, so I'd actually donate to pirates for making my life easier. News like this prove me right.

Re: Denuvo-Protected Games Rendered Unplayable After Domain Expires

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Post by agilob »

BizarroLand wrote: post #84
agilob wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, the only two companies I can trust with game quality are Sega and Valve, all the rest either have toxic communities or had major fuckups with quality, performance or plots, and I don't trust them with $4.99 at all.

I like the rockstar approach. Have a local player game that has a story and a lot of fun mechanics, and then have an online version with fun side quests and adventures with your friends. Totally worth the $50 cost of entry.

welp, it didnt age well

Re: Denuvo-Protected Games Rendered Unplayable After Domain Expires

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Post by Mindwipe »

White_Wolf wrote: post #30
Mindwipe wrote: post #11

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It definitely would not be because that ruling does not overrule other bits of legislation, such as the prohibition against distribution or importation of tools to circumvent technical protection measure that all EU countries have.

it does if the software is not working(like in this case). "the legitimate purchaser of a program is entitled to decompile that program in order to correct errors affecting its operation" https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=f5b1193c-f423...

No, this is misinformation.

That ruling just states that it is not a copyright breach to decompile a program to correct errors.

It does not grant a carte blanche against other laws. DRM circumvention laws are separate offenses and are not overridden.

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