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Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

pythonlion wrote: post #72
Quanttek wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is undoubtedly false. Speaking of "purported evidence" when there is literally no credible evidence submitted by the Israeli government for these allegations is misleading at best. Their whole case rests on the testimony of two Palestinian accountants, likely attained by torture, that worked for two organizations that were not included in the list of six [1]. They merely state it is "general knowledge" that thes…

why Israel need to answer to EU and why everything EU does is automatically right?

I think this is a loaded and defensive question that tries to broaden the scope of the allegation to something obviously wrong. Obviously everything the EU does isn’t automatically right because it’s the EU. But maybe if multiple reputable human rights organizations are condemning allegations of a country as baseless and part of ongoing human rights violations then maybe that specific thing is a correct statement of fact.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by Banana699 »

ktownsend wrote: post #8
DeathArrow wrote: post #2

Can someone explain the strong ties between US and Israel, and why US stands behind Israel, no matter what?

Historically, this hasn't always been the case, and the US were actively opposed to Israel's covert Nuclear program, for example, which was built with French support against the wishes of the US government at the time. The world has change significantly since then, including the French and American governments alignment of interests and weighing to pros and cons. I'm sure other people here can provide more nuance tha…

Comparing the blood on the conquerer hands and the blood on the conquered hand is always a strong indicator of either misinformation or bad faith.

It would be like saying 'Sure, the USA did a lot of terrible things in Afghanistan, but did you know that Taliban recruits child soldiers? There are blood on everybody's hand', well yes detective it's called a war, nobody is innocent in a war. The relevant issue is who let the first blood flow, who broke into a land not theirs and started the whole deadly recursion. Certainly not the people who lived there for 2000+ years.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by bawolff »

VictorPath wrote: post #65
Vervious wrote: post #13

To be fair, it is quite murky to what extent groups like Al-Haq are associated with the PFLP (which, with its history of aircraft hijackings and suicide bombings, is undoubtedly a terrorist group). There is plenty of purported evidence of financial and personnel links out there, and I really doubt HN is the right forum to decide either way (unless someone is an expert).

Al-Haq is a Palestinian human rights NGO funded by the European Union. Two weeks ago, Israel labeled six Palestinian NGOs, including al-Haq, terrorist organizations and has outlawed them. This was condemned by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and others. The EU also funded the other Palestinian human rights NGOs which Israel outlawed. The US had an office in Jerusalem dealing with Palestinians that Trump clo…

I don't understand how people can think Israel mass bombed gaza. Israel has one of the largest militaries in the world. If they decided to mass bomb somewhere, it wouldn't be a place anymore. Its not the 1800s. A mass bombing is not something anyone walks away from in the modern world.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by tremon »

bawolff wrote: post #83
VictorPath wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Al-Haq is a Palestinian human rights NGO funded by the European Union. Two weeks ago, Israel labeled six Palestinian NGOs, including al-Haq, terrorist organizations and has outlawed them. This was condemned by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and others. The EU also funded the other Palestinian human rights NGOs which Israel outlawed. The US had an office in Jerusalem dealing with Palestinians that Trump clo…

I don't understand how people can think Israel mass bombed gaza. Israel has one of the largest militaries in the world. If they decided to mass bomb somewhere, it wouldn't be a place anymore. Its not the 1800s. A mass bombing is not something anyone walks away from in the modern world.

So perhaps the obvious conclusion should be that your definition of "mass bombing" is not what people mean when they use that term?

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by yonixw »

Quanttek wrote: post #57
Vervious wrote: post #13

To be fair, it is quite murky to what extent groups like Al-Haq are associated with the PFLP (which, with its history of aircraft hijackings and suicide bombings, is undoubtedly a terrorist group). There is plenty of purported evidence of financial and personnel links out there, and I really doubt HN is the right forum to decide either way (unless someone is an expert).

This is undoubtedly false. Speaking of "purported evidence" when there is literally no credible evidence submitted by the Israeli government for these allegations is misleading at best. Their whole case rests on the testimony of two Palestinian accountants, likely attained by torture, that worked for two organizations that were not included in the list of six [1]. They merely state it is "general knowledge" that thes…

Looking around, you can quickly find, that `Shawan Jabarin` the general director of Al-Haq (which was banned) was convicted in 1985 of recruiting and arranging training for members for PFLP and was called “Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde,” by the Israeli Supreme Court in 2007 for being a human rights campaigner by day and a terrorist by night.

Also, HRW statement should be taken with a grain of salt, since they have conflict of interest since he was appointed by Human Rights Watch (HRW) to its advisory board that oversees reporting on Arab-Israeli affairs In February 2011 (All after his convictions)

So having two accountants telling you it is "general knowledge" that these orgs are funneling money to PFLP are not statements in the void.

No proof there was any kind of torture also in your article. Only "may". Apply your own standard.

And the subject is definitely not innocent body that is solely targeted because of their role in the ICC investigation

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by bawolff »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #78
aritmo wrote: post #61

Which nation would benefit from those infections?

Israel most likely.

This type of analysis is kind of hard, because you could also say that Israel's enemies would benefit a lot from this sort of thing being discovered.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by zibzab »

bogwog wrote: post #42

> Front Line Defenders investigated 75 iPhones and found that 6 devices were hacked with NSO Group's Pegasus spyware Hacked iPhones?! I bet they were side loading apps! /s (relevant: https://techcrunch.com/2021/11/03/apple-craig-federighi-side... )

I think "the fappening", xghost and NSO have already clearly demonstrated that mobile security is just PR.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by raxxorrax »

vadfa wrote: post #55
Leparamour wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think you would if you don't rely on vulgarism, so please shoot. Define vulgarism in this context? The non-PC answer would be ethnic nepotism and corrupting influence through AIPAC and ADL. Jews are heavily overrepresented throughout every circle of power and influence (media, academia, business, politics) and trying to reign in Israel would mean going against that entrenched jewish power block which any pr…

Thanks. This is what I meant. I didn't make my point because, at least to me, this is clear and well known, so I dismiss anybody who says not to know it as disingeniuous.

I always wondered who nibbled off the foreskins of Americans...

But seriously, I somehow expected such an answer and I believe it to be heavily misinformed. It is the old formula, Jews are somehow responsible for it all. Can you give an example for a policy or public influence that was made in favor of Jews?

I find them often very disagreeable. 2 Jews in a room can net you 5 different opinions. That is just a stereotype of course, but of what should this influence consist off? Israel? A large part of diaspora is often quite blunt with its criticism of Israel in a way that many Israeli don't hold back criticism themselves. Doesn't sound like effective collusion to be honest.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by crhutchins »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #30
encryptluks2 wrote: post #6

Is there a tool to scan your devices for Pegasus?

Such a tool would be outdated very soon after it's published because these companies check their hacks against known antivirus and detection tools before they deploy them.

Yes, this makes sense. It will become outdated soon, technologies are evolving rapidly.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by joelbluminator »

bawolff wrote: post #40
DeathArrow wrote: post #2

Can someone explain the strong ties between US and Israel, and why US stands behind Israel, no matter what?

Geopolitically they both hate iran. Culturally both are fairly similar - both are "western"-style democracies (e.g. representative democracies with constitutions that value rule of law, independent judiciary, etc) And, the following might be controversial - but many of americas strategic allies do much worse shit than israel, they just get called out on it less. Hell, Saudi arabia is literally murdering people in emb…

Israel would have had zero issues with Iran if Iran wasn't on a quest to destroy Israel. In fact the two had normal relations until the Iranian Islamic revolution.
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