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Re: How much load can be served from 1m² of sunlight

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You could also use a desktop with one of these ATX power supplies that runs on 12VDC instead of 120/240VAC: https://www.cartft.com/catalog/il/2302

Wow, I was not expecting that price! Is this just a rare item or is there something particularity expensive inside it?

It's not a mass-market item so they're expensive to begin with, but I'd bet its current price is a function of the chip shortage we've been hearing about.

Re: How much load can be served from 1m² of sunlight

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Don't DC-DC transformers use AC internally?

If you want electrical isolation between the input and the output, they use AC in the middle to achieve that, but if you don't want isolation, you could use a boost DC converter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boost_converter

Which use alternating voltage, across the inductor, but the current is always (with load) positive. Neat!

Re: How much load can be served from 1m² of sunlight

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The armchairs here are all great. If they used a raspberry pi and rewrote their javascript in ARM assembly and reinvented a more power-efficient compression algorithm and solved your favourite problem of serving static pages instead of the problem they actually want to solve, they could maybe get more instructions per watt.

But really, I'm glad that they're actually doing it instead of talking about doing it and spending all of their time musing about _what if_ they did this other thing instead. This looks great.

Re: How much load can be served from 1m² of sunlight

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I was recently traveling with a M1 MacBook, and had a 20W solar panel + a 24Ah power bank for charging. Worked like a treat for coding.

Can you elaborate a little more on your setup? That sounds interesting.

Basically this: https://voltaicsystems.com/arc20w-kit/. It's a bit on the expensive side, I'm sure you can find cheaper kits. I like that the battery has a USB-C port, so I can charge the MacBook directly. To be truly off-grid, you need something bigger though. 20W is ok for basic work, but if you're compiling or doing other heavy work you need more power. If it's a bit cloudy then the battery won't fully charge with that panel, I'd recommend at least 50-100W. But with that size you're also less mobile. I had a car so mobility wasn't that important for me. The only important thing for me is that I can take the gear onto an airplane when traveling.

I need to investigate if USB-C car charger adapters can charge a MacBook. When traveling with a car and the sun doesn't shine, it would be a nice backup solution. I was basically living in a car + tent for four weeks, traveling and working.

Re: How much load can be served from 1m² of sunlight

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Rather than inverting 12V DC to 240V AC and back, you could skip a step and use a laptop car charger, converting 12V DC straight to ~20V DC.

I did this for a year on my previous macbook and it destroyed the battery. The inverter creates cleaner power. Good luck finding a quality one that can handle the voltage changes from 14.6 -> ~10.5 the battery is going to spit out with the MPPT attached..

Maintaining a regulated voltage with input voltage changes is a primary feature of a DC-DC converter, like a boost converter. With a buck-boost converter, you can maintain a regulated voltage when the input voltage goes above or below the output voltage.

Re: How much load can be served from 1m² of sunlight

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> 12v to 240v inverter Can someone explain this part of his equation? What’s he doing with 240v? Or maybe he meant 24v for charging the laptop?

He's in Australia which uses 240v mains power. He's using an inverter to connect his regular old laptop charger plug.

Re: How much load can be served from 1m² of sunlight

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> 12v to 240v inverter Can someone explain this part of his equation? What’s he doing with 240v? Or maybe he meant 24v for charging the laptop?

He's using a household solar inverter designed to convert low voltage DC to AC at standard wall socket voltage. It's not the most efficient approach, as noted in other comments, but it's an easy approach since these inverters are common and a laptop's power supply is already set up to plug into a wall socket.

Re: How much load can be served from 1m² of sunlight

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The armchairs here are all great. If they used a raspberry pi and rewrote their javascript in ARM assembly and reinvented a more power-efficient compression algorithm and solved your favourite problem of serving static pages instead of the problem they actually want to solve, they could maybe get more instructions per watt. But really, I'm glad that they're actually doing it instead of talking about doing it and spen…

I was confused about the "doing it" part. I see that they have all the materials and got some numbers like average power consumption, but they didn't seem to actually set it up and see how it worked?

Re: How much load can be served from 1m² of sunlight

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Can you elaborate a little more on your setup? That sounds interesting.

Basically this: https://voltaicsystems.com/arc20w-kit/ . It's a bit on the expensive side, I'm sure you can find cheaper kits. I like that the battery has a USB-C port, so I can charge the MacBook directly. To be truly off-grid, you need something bigger though. 20W is ok for basic work, but if you're compiling or doing other heavy work you need more power. If it's a bit cloudy then the battery won't fully charge wit…

Nekteck sells a car charger with 45W USB-C PD. I've seen others claiming 65W.

https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-usb-car-char...

Re: How much load can be served from 1m² of sunlight

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I regularly work outside during summer, powering a MacBook Pro exclusively by sunlight (panel about 1m^2). For a few hours I can get a good 50+ watts, buffering thru a 100Wh battery. Keeping the load typically around 10-15 watts isn't hard, so long as paying attention.

Of note, I persuaded Atlassian to remove the (rather nice) animated clouds from their "you have been logged out" web page because it pulled 30 watts (even when web page was hidden). Running on solar/battery exclusively, that was a problem; kudos to them for acting on it.

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