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Re: Project Gutenberg is no longer fully blocked in Germany

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> Q: So the court thinks that the presence of content in German means that courts in Germany have jurisdiction, regardless of the fact that PGLAF is entirely in the US? > A: Yes, that was the original basis of the claim for jurisdiction, which the Court accepted in their judgment.

ummm, what? Imagine if the UK, or US claimed jurisdiction over any website that published content in English.

Re: Project Gutenberg is no longer fully blocked in Germany

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I'm curious as to what changed PGLAF's mind. Blocking those specific works was all that the court ordered 3 years ago. Blocking everything was PGLAF's own decision based on perceived risk of further lawsuits about other works. Nothing has really changed to decrease that risk. The plaintiffs may have agreed that those are the only works they own that were in violation, and won't sue about anything else, but any other German who hold the copyright to works are still valid there but not the US still could.

Re: Project Gutenberg is no longer fully blocked in Germany

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> Q: So the court thinks that the presence of content in German means that courts in Germany have jurisdiction, regardless of the fact that PGLAF is entirely in the US? > A: Yes, that was the original basis of the claim for jurisdiction, which the Court accepted in their judgment. ummm, what? Imagine if the UK, or US claimed jurisdiction over any website that published content in English.

The US has been happy to claim jurisdiction when- and wherever they damn well please

Re: Project Gutenberg is no longer fully blocked in Germany

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Sssh! If you tell foreign courts and litigants about VPNs, they'll stop accepting "we'll block it in your country if you get off our backs" and start demanding international jurisdiction. At that point "it's legal in my country" will no longer suffice for anything online (which is basically everything). Everyone will need to be in compliance with the most restrictive subset of the law. Just in the realm of copyright,…

Hell will freeze over before we get an international court. The US literally has a law on the books to invade the International Criminal Court in the Netherlands if GWB is ever held trial for war crimes (wars of aggression have been a war crime since the end of WW2).

Where can I read more about this?

Re: Project Gutenberg is no longer fully blocked in Germany

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In Germany, the concept of "Public Domain" does not exist. (EDIT: It may exist 70 years after the authors death). IANAL. Works are "gemeinfrei" (approx. "public domain") 70 years after the author's death, or 70 years after publication for non-natural persons holding a copyright (e.g. corporate copyright). What you might think of is that there's no official way for an author to release works into the public domain i…

I know Germany doesn't do legal precedent, but is there actually any case law demonstrating works can't be put into the public domain? The idea it can't be done is a trope at this point, but I am frankly skeptical. Moral rights to recognition aside, copyright can be sold, like any other property. Why do we think it can't be abandoned, again like any other property?

Richard Hipp has had to gin up a license for SQLite because of this.

Re: Project Gutenberg is no longer fully blocked in Germany

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post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hell will freeze over before we get an international court. The US literally has a law on the books to invade the International Criminal Court in the Netherlands if GWB is ever held trial for war crimes (wars of aggression have been a war crime since the end of WW2).

Where can I read more about this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_Internat...

"In 2002, the U.S. Congress passed the American Service-Members' Protection Act (ASPA), which contained a number of provisions, including authorization of the President to "use all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court""

Re: Project Gutenberg is no longer fully blocked in Germany

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post #81

> Q: So the court thinks that the presence of content in German means that courts in Germany have jurisdiction, regardless of the fact that PGLAF is entirely in the US? > A: Yes, that was the original basis of the claim for jurisdiction, which the Court accepted in their judgment. ummm, what? Imagine if the UK, or US claimed jurisdiction over any website that published content in English.

That's only half the story. The court based it on the following facts:

* The website was accessible from Germany

* The website was partly translated into German

* The website offered German-language content

* The explicitly offered worldwide service ("anyone anywhere")

* There was a disclaimer directed at people not located in the US

Re: Project Gutenberg is no longer fully blocked in Germany

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In Germany, the concept of "Public Domain" does not exist. (EDIT: It may exist 70 years after the authors death). IANAL. Besides that, even if it would, the books would not have been in the Public Domain. From the announcement: > In Germany, they are copyrighted based on "life +70 years" of copyright protection (so, copyright will expire after 2020, 2025 and 2027, respectively). From a legal and business perspective,…

Nitpick. German intellectual property laws are part of German legislation. Legislation is a body of laws. Maybe you meant the German legislative community. Well, it's their responsibility to maintain the legislation. Laws are not immutable.

I think our legislative has better things to do than to adopt US copyright law before 1978. Although it seems unpopular IMHO it would have caused project Gutenberg no harm to remove this few items until copyright is expired.

We are always complaining about China that they do not fully honor IP. I believe it is an ethical thing to do to honour the laws of the country were sth was originally created even if strictly legally speaking I can move around the world to circumvent unpleasant jurisdiction.

Re: Project Gutenberg is no longer fully blocked in Germany

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This is great news! This is a wonderful project, and the fact that it wasn't accessible from Germany made me profoundly sad and angry. I hope the responsible copyright lawyers have a hard time sleeping because of this and consider changing their line of work. If you are blocking people from reading books in the public domain, it is a good indication that you are one of the bad guys. Even worse, they only blocked peop…

> Even worse, they only blocked people from Germany that didn't know how to use a VPN. German courts really don't get how the internet works.

German courts are aware of the existence of means to circumvent such a block but don't see that as a reason to not even try. See e.g BGH, 26.11.2015 - I ZR 174/14

Re: Project Gutenberg is no longer fully blocked in Germany

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nitpick. German intellectual property laws are part of German legislation. Legislation is a body of laws. Maybe you meant the German legislative community. Well, it's their responsibility to maintain the legislation. Laws are not immutable.

I think our legislative has better things to do than to adopt US copyright law before 1978. Although it seems unpopular IMHO it would have caused project Gutenberg no harm to remove this few items until copyright is expired. We are always complaining about China that they do not fully honor IP. I believe it is an ethical thing to do to honour the laws of the country were sth was originally created even if strictly le…

I've very little respect for intellectual property. I don't see it as much more than a way to stifle culture and innovation in the sake of greed. You could have a sensible implementation of IP where an intellectual product can be considered your property for some short duration. Not decades though.
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