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India Counting Down to 1B Doses

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Re: India Counting Down to 1B Doses

#81
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> Out of that 1 Billion are almost done. Assuming you mean 1b have had at least 1 dose, I don't think that's true. If 1b doses have been given, and ~300m people have had 2 doses (i.e. consumed 600m doses), that surely means ~400m doses were left. So a total of 700m people have had one or more doses.

If a billion people need two doses, that's two billion doses. One billion is halfway there, leaving one billion left.

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Re: India Counting Down to 1B Doses

#82
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Out of that 1 Billion are almost done. Assuming you mean 1b have had at least 1 dose, I don't think that's true. If 1b doses have been given, and ~300m people have had 2 doses (i.e. consumed 600m doses), that surely means ~400m doses were left. So a total of 700m people have had one or more doses.

If a billion people need two doses, that's two billion doses. One billion is halfway there, leaving one billion left.

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> So, about 1 Billion [people] ...

and then

> Out of that 1 Billion are almost done.

To me, they're saying "out of 1 Billion people needing the vaccine, 1 Billion people are almost done".

Whatever the detail of what they meant, "almost done" is an odd way to describe being only (just under) halfway through the process.

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The dear leader refused to fund free vaccines for people under 40. Instead, states were pitted against each other to procure doses It wasn't until the Supreme Court got involved that the government backtracked. So much for being decisive . And everyone from the Central Board of Secondary Education to state owned enterprises were made to put up posters thanking Modiji for the vaccines. Because you, know he's funding t…

> The dear leader refused to fund free vaccines for people under 40. My wife and I are under 40 and we got the vaccine for free at a government health centre. > Instead, states were pitted against each other to procure doses Initially all vaccine supply was routed through the centre. Then some states like Delhi and Maharashtra asked to be allowed to procure vaccines on their own. This was in the early days when the v…

> My wife and I are under 40 and we got the vaccine for free at a government health centre.

Like I said, the government reversed its stance after the Supreme Court intervened[0].

> Then some states like Delhi and Maharashtra asked to be allowed to procure vaccines on their own.

Some rich states tried to procure vaccines on their own. How does that preclude the Union from extending vaccine coverage to all? And the second link is dated May 8th. The so called Liberalised Pricing and Accelerated National Covid-19 Vaccination Strategy was announced in April and came into effect from May 1st[1]. And I find the notion of the policy being shaped by the demands from opposition ruled states to be farfetched.

> This was in the early days when the vaccine supply was less.

Why was the supply less? Could it be because in its infinite wisdom, the government did not place orders with SII until January 2021? And then placed an order for a grand total of 11 million doses when SII had already stockpiled 50 million doses[2][3]?

0: https://theprint.in/india/sc-orders-review-of-modi-govts-vac...

1: https://www.narendramodi.in/government-of-india-announces-a-...

2: https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/can-deliver-vaccin...

Re: India Counting Down to 1B Doses

#86
post #32

Modi govt gets a lot of hate in India but we should also give credit where it is due, like for this. An indecisive leader or one heading a coalition govt probably couldn't have done it like this.

Absolutely not. 90% of these doses were provided by Serum Institute, a private company, that wholly managed the relationship with AstraZeneca since the early days of the pandemic, even when the government was asking citizens to perform rituals to ward off the pandemic. The government not only played a largely passive role, but they did not even assist where they could. Before the second wave, Serum Institute was appe…

> Serum Institute was appealing for financial help to boost production capacity. But the government completely neglected that,

This is not true - the govt gave Rs. 3000 crore (the asked-for amount) in aid to SII.

> They jumped at it with all hands and today account for 90% of all doses administered.

True, but it's likely that the government's commitment to buy 100s of millions of vaccines played no small part in giving them the confidence to scale up the way they did.

> India is like top 3 in the world in pharma manufacturing

True, but SII is the big daddy of vaccines. Even before Covid, they were making 60% of the entire world's supply of vaccines.

> Many companies were ready and willing to switch to vaccine manufacturing but were tied up in bureaucracy with no support from the government.

SII had the capability and capacity, and committed to deliver the quantity as well. They had started manufacturing Covishield in the millions as early as November 2020 or so. Bharat (Covaxin) had a fully developed vaccine. Under the circumstances, why would the government (or any other buyer) risk spreading itself thin over many different suppliers instead of going with those which already had a product in hand?

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#87
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Modi's photo is the largest thing on that page, and on every vaccine card. Lack of credit is never his problem.

I have always found that amusing. What a god complex that guy has. But hey if it works it works.

It doesn't work so well for muslims in India...

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/21/india-muslims-deported-...

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2021/country-chapters/india

Re: India Counting Down to 1B Doses

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I have always found that amusing. What a god complex that guy has. But hey if it works it works.

It doesn't work so well for muslims in India... https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/21/india-muslims-deported-... https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2021/country-chapters/india

I think you may find that when illegal migrants get deported, the security of the nation improves... I live in Hyderabad, the place where the Dilsukhnagar blasts happened. Don't remember hearing of any major jihadist attacks on the past seven years or so... Success of a government no?

Re: India Counting Down to 1B Doses

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post #84
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The dear leader refused to fund free vaccines for people under 40. My wife and I are under 40 and we got the vaccine for free at a government health centre. > Instead, states were pitted against each other to procure doses Initially all vaccine supply was routed through the centre. Then some states like Delhi and Maharashtra asked to be allowed to procure vaccines on their own. This was in the early days when the v…

> My wife and I are under 40 and we got the vaccine for free at a government health centre. Like I said, the government reversed its stance after the Supreme Court intervened[0]. > Then some states like Delhi and Maharashtra asked to be allowed to procure vaccines on their own. Some rich states tried to procure vaccines on their own. How does that preclude the Union from extending vaccine coverage to all? And the sec…

> Some rich states tried to procure vaccines on their own.

My point was that the states themselves asked to be allowed to procure the vaccines, so blaming the Union for asking them to "compete" is incorrect. As your link to the Liberalized policy states, 50% of the supply was being purchased by the Union, presumably to supply to the "poor" states.

> How does that preclude the Union from extending vaccine coverage to all?

You're right - it doesn't. However I think the (only) Rs. 35000 crore budget should have made it clear that the government was not planning to inoculate everyone for free. Some, like me, got lucky; but I know plenty of people who had to pay for their vaccines.

> And then placed an order for a grand total of 11 million doses

From Jan 16-Feb 28, India was inoculating only frontline workers and healthcare staff. For these AFAICT, the Union ordered 11 million vaccines in Jan[1], as you mentioned, and 14.5 million in Feb[2].

India started inoculating senior citizens and people with co-morbidities from March 1, and in March the Union had ordered 120 million vaccines[3].

The Union claimed, in May, that they were purchasing the entire supply of both SII and Bharat Biologicals, so if there was any shortage it was due to the lack of manufacturing and not lack of purchase. I'm not blaming the manufacturers of course - obviously they took time to scale, and they (especially SII) have done well now.

1. https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/india-o...

2. https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/go...

3. https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/120mn-doses-ordere...

Edit: added some more information on vaccine orders

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