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Facebook Dangerous Individuals and Organizations List (Reproduced Snapshot)

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Post by woodruffw »

gorwell wrote: post #37
jdhn wrote: post #4

They have Ted Kaczynski on that list despite the fact that he's in prison for the rest of his life, and that he wouldn't use Facebook even if he was out. Is his presence on this list an indicator that Facebook is paying more attention to users/groups that talk about him a lot or share his ideals?

Long dead Hitler and Goebbels are included too, but why stop there? Where's Joseph Stalin and Vlad the Impaler. https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21083819/pages/facebo...

I'm guessing the list is based on political salience, not just how "bad" a person is.

There probably aren't that many Vlad the Impaler apologists in the world, given that he's a functionally irrelevant person to be an apologist for. That's perhaps less the case for Stalin, but even Marxist-Leninists (seem) to make fewer excuses for Stalin-the-human than neo-Nazis do for Hitler-the-human.

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Post by tomjakubowski »

m0zg wrote: post #61

No Antifa? Why, of course not. What's a few dead people and billions of dollars in damage between friends.

You obviously did not bother to read the list, which includes several Antifa groups. (as well as some calling themselves Anti-Antifa)

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Post by woodruffw »

andyxor wrote: post #66
barbacoa wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And don't get me started on the Romans. After the Romans captured Carthage they murdered 450,000 of its inhabitants. This makes Caesar's Place in Las Vegas very culturally problematic.

And how about the indigenous Inca & Maya people, nobody wants to see their human sacrifice culture celebrated on Facebook (Mel Gibson exposed the ugly truth in Apocalypto) And the Spanish Inquisition, Bluebeard, Ivan The Terrible, Robespierre, Lenin, Beelzebub and Donald J. Trump? The ban list is way too short.

With the exception of Lenin, I don't think contemporary political positions hold a great deal of water for any of these people. The list probably isn't an objective scale of atrocity, it's probably proportional to the volume of content that Facebook actually sees.

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Post by Turing_Machine »

janandonly wrote: post #28

hm... Half of the Organizations in the "Hate: category seem to be based in Germany. Almost all of the Organizations in the "Terror" category seem to be Islamic. In the category "Crime" Brazil is overly represented. There seem to be a shocking amount of "Armed Militia Groups". I was surprised to find that "A.K. Chesterton" is affiliated with the "British Union of Fascists" ?? Is that correct? I seemed to be confusing…

According to Wikipedia, A.K. Chesterton was G.K. Chesterton's cousin, and was indeed a member of the British Union of Fascists between 1933 and 1938.

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Post by torben-friis »

kragen wrote: post #40

There's a lot of potential for false positives in a list like this. "Houthis", one of the groups in the "Terror" list, is actually the name of an ethnicity in northern Yemen (which is currently in insurrection against the Saudi-backed government of Yemen). "Ammar", another, is also the name of the prostitutes' union here in Argentina, AMMAR, which is not to my knowledge a violent group (despite having had one of thei…

> However, aside from questions of false positives, the broader issue is that nominally the issue over which the Cold War was fought was over whether to have such a list of prohibited groups and dangerous individuals whose voice was too dangerous to allow people to hear it, or subjects too dangerous to allow people to discuss them; the USSR argued that it was essential, the US that it was intolerable, in both cases somewhat inconsistently. This theory of liberalism was fundamental to the foundation of the US — not, as some would argue, as a mere limitation on government action, but as a fundamental aspect of what distinguishes a good society from a bad one.

The issue over which the cold war was fought was one of world dominance, and to be honest the way you describe the values that the US defended seems laughable considering you're referring the era of Hoover's FBI.

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Post by dragonwriter »

andyxor wrote: post #66
barbacoa wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And don't get me started on the Romans. After the Romans captured Carthage they murdered 450,000 of its inhabitants. This makes Caesar's Place in Las Vegas very culturally problematic.

And how about the indigenous Inca & Maya people, nobody wants to see their human sacrifice culture celebrated on Facebook (Mel Gibson exposed the ugly truth in Apocalypto) And the Spanish Inquisition, Bluebeard, Ivan The Terrible, Robespierre, Lenin, Beelzebub and Donald J. Trump? The ban list is way too short.

> And how about the indigenous Inca people, nobody wants to see their human sacrifice culture celebrated on Facebook (Mel Gibson exposed the ugly truth in Apocalypto)

Apocalypto focussed on the Maya, who aren't even from the same continent as the Inca.

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Post by lovecg »

thriftwy wrote: post #57
korethr wrote: post #3

Huh. There's a lot bands in the "Hate" section. Looking up the various names I'm finding various death metal and black metal bands. I can't help but wonder how many of those bands on are on that list because someone at Facebook took heavy metal imagery and lyrical themes too seriously and literally. More Edit: Turns out I picked a bad example. I missed reference to a name collision with an actual National Socialist b…

This list is a close reminder of another famous list (of musical bands banned in the USSR) https://s.fishki.net/upload/users/2020/02/17/907382/b7325f11... The given reasons are exactly the same: violence, hate, religious extremism. Facebook is the new Soviet State of Workers and Peasants.

Which band do you think should not be on the list?

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Post by chroem- »

tomjakubowski wrote: post #79
chroem- wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did not see the PNW Youth Liberation Front and John Brown Gun Club (among others)

I think your original post would have been better received if you had been more specific and named the groups you'd like to see censored.

That's part of the problem though: there is nobody keeping track of left wing terrorist groups in the US. We only have a clear picture of the PNWYLF and JBGC because they went around bombing and shooting people all last summer. To say the problem is limited to just a few groups is difficult, because A.) they are numerous with varying objectives, and B.) we just don't know how deep the rabbit hole goes.

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Post by hasdf »

woodruffw wrote: post #73
m0zg wrote: post #61

No Antifa? Why, of course not. What's a few dead people and billions of dollars in damage between friends.

The FBI and DHS, two agencies whose relationships with America's left have never been described as "friendly," have consistently determined that antifascists are neither organized as a movement[1] nor a serious violent threat to the United States[2]. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/us/antifa-protests-george... [2]: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-...

oh come on the FBI is absurdly left wing and political right now

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Post by robbedpeter »

gorwell wrote: post #37
jdhn wrote: post #4

They have Ted Kaczynski on that list despite the fact that he's in prison for the rest of his life, and that he wouldn't use Facebook even if he was out. Is his presence on this list an indicator that Facebook is paying more attention to users/groups that talk about him a lot or share his ideals?

Long dead Hitler and Goebbels are included too, but why stop there? Where's Joseph Stalin and Vlad the Impaler. https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21083819/pages/facebo...

Why not Marx and Mao? Could never understand why some murder memes are OK but others are not.
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