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Re: Samsung Foundry Forum announcements

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So it should be QLCD

No, that would be Quantum Liquid Crystal Display instead of Quantum (Dot) Light Emitting Didode

Quantum (dot) Liquid Crystal Display is an accurate description of the display technology, unless you think LED backlight is more important than the LCD tech that drives the pixels.

Re: Samsung Foundry Forum announcements

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Samsung has a dishonorable marketing department. 3nm is not actually 3nm. I'm fed up... OLED is superior so they had to take the path of calling theirs QLED which is actually just an LCD screen with phosphors on top of a blue backlight (and it's nothing new).

> 3nm is not actually 3nm It's a stretch to blame that on Samsung, processor generations described in nanometres haven't been based on actual component size for years now, by any manufacturer.

I feel that if numbers were all wrong in, say, the automotive or aerospace industries, there'd be more of an upheaval about it.

Then again, the nanometer sizes aren't always completely indicative of performance and aren't necessary to be used in any capacity when actually using a computing device, so maybe it's not as bad.

Dishonest marketing, though? Most certainly.

Re: Samsung Foundry Forum announcements

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post #6

I can never remember what xnm means as it varies between companies. In this case, Samsung's 3nm = Intel's 7nm I am still waiting for a standard based on transistor density numbers!

>I can never remember what xnm means as it varies between companies.

Intel has renamed their node so the industry has now pretty much standardise on naming. Where all 3nm from Samsung, TSMC and Intel will have similar transistor density. ( But not similar performance or any other characteristic )

Officially Intel doesn't use 4nm or 3nm, they call it Intel 4 or Intel 3. But for the sake of easier comparison most people still use Intel 4nm to describe it.

Re: Samsung Foundry Forum announcements

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> process technology migration to 3- and 2-nanometer (nm) based on the company’s Gate-All-Around (GAA) transistor structure I believe GAA is the next gen tech for the node process. Samsung is the first foundry to do GAA w/3nm while TSMC is sticking w/FinFET for their 3nm. It'll be interesting to see how 3nm FinFET compare to 3nm GAA. https://www.anandtech.com/show/16041/where-are-my-gaafets-ts... edit: >After that, t…

I want to add some context for those who dont follow Semi closely.

Samsung Foundry have a history of over promise and under deliver. This 3nm launch will likely be similar to their EUV node which they claim to be industry first but wasn't shipping in any real volume. So arguably they are not lying, but it is a marketing spin.

TSMC is an extremely pragmatic company. It either work or it doesn't, there is no need to save faces. No need to push industry first GAA or FinFET, push for whatever it works within the timeframe with respect to yield and cost. What is the point of having the best tech in 2022 when they cant produce it with enough volume that any of their customer would want?

That is not to say Samsung Foundry are evil or anything, they are pushing very very hard to try and catch up to TSMC and stays competitive in the market. ( Look at what happen to Global Foundry ). And now Intel is coming. Pat Gelsinger seems to be doing all the right thing.

Re: Samsung Foundry Forum announcements

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post #20

Samsung has a dishonorable marketing department. 3nm is not actually 3nm. I'm fed up... OLED is superior so they had to take the path of calling theirs QLED which is actually just an LCD screen with phosphors on top of a blue backlight (and it's nothing new).

Their high-end phones have such dark patterns that I will flat-out not buy Samsung anything. Even if you pay [€$]1000+ for one of their Smart Phones, you can look forward to: * Uninstallable cruft, as if they were a telcom and you were on a contract and had not just handed over a grand * ...like a confusingly-similar-looking competitor to Google Contacts that will upload your info to their servers * GDPR? LOL * A har…

> * Constant badgering by the phone's native notification to sign up for "Samsung Members", a social media platform. No, you can't turn that off.

Apple does something similar. Every now and then I get a notification about "try tv+/arcade/music for x months".

Or few years back when wallet was launched, daily notifications to add my card.. in a country that doesnt support apple wallet.

Re: Samsung Foundry Forum announcements

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, that would be Quantum Liquid Crystal Display instead of Quantum (Dot) Light Emitting Didode

Quantum (dot) Liquid Crystal Display is an accurate description of the display technology, unless you think LED backlight is more important than the LCD tech that drives the pixels.

As much as I'd like everyone to be more honest in their marketing, I think it's a bridge too far to blame Samsung for how televisions have been marketed by all manufacturers and retailers alike for nearly two decades.

Re: Samsung Foundry Forum announcements

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post #65

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Their high-end phones have such dark patterns that I will flat-out not buy Samsung anything. Even if you pay [€$]1000+ for one of their Smart Phones, you can look forward to: * Uninstallable cruft, as if they were a telcom and you were on a contract and had not just handed over a grand * ...like a confusingly-similar-looking competitor to Google Contacts that will upload your info to their servers * GDPR? LOL * A har…

Google uploads to their servers. They aren't anointed. You can turn off sync. Same as Google. Samsung software isn't worse than Apple or Google IMO.

Sure, you have a right to your opinion. IMO Samsung software is far worse than Apple's. Many reasons why, but for one, with an older Apple phone you will still get very timely upgrades to their latest software for many more years than you would with a Samsung phone.

Re: Samsung Foundry Forum announcements

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their high-end phones have such dark patterns that I will flat-out not buy Samsung anything. Even if you pay [€$]1000+ for one of their Smart Phones, you can look forward to: * Uninstallable cruft, as if they were a telcom and you were on a contract and had not just handed over a grand * ...like a confusingly-similar-looking competitor to Google Contacts that will upload your info to their servers * GDPR? LOL * A har…

> * Constant badgering by the phone's native notification to sign up for "Samsung Members", a social media platform. No, you can't turn that off. Apple does something similar. Every now and then I get a notification about "try tv+/arcade/music for x months". Or few years back when wallet was launched, daily notifications to add my card.. in a country that doesnt support apple wallet.

Try saying no to the new iCloud terms and conditions.

The options are “I agree to everything” or “Keep bugging me until I agree to everything”.

Re: Samsung Foundry Forum announcements

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Yeah but do you really think they didn't choose that acronym, with that upper case Q with no intention to make people think they were OLEDs/similar to OLEDS. QLED OLED

I Really do think so. Because it's exactly following the naming standard of existing displays. Go to Walmart. Go to the TV section. You see all those LED TVs? They're both LCD and LED. That LED portion is used for a light source. Q stands for Quantum dot, which is another grid layer on top of the LED layer, to improve that LED light. The reason for the upper case Q, is because upper case is just how acronyms roll. No…

Manufacturers only started calling LCDs with LED backlights "LED TVs" when OLED tech started getting hyped up too. It's the same kind of bullshit marketing.

Re: Samsung Foundry Forum announcements

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post #6

I can never remember what xnm means as it varies between companies. In this case, Samsung's 3nm = Intel's 7nm I am still waiting for a standard based on transistor density numbers!

There is also a big difference between the nm accuracy of lithography and the transistor size.

Creating chips with an accuracy of 1nm does not mean 1nm transistors.

But 1nm sounds good as marketing.

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