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Re: Firefox Suggest (address bar based ads, currently limited to US)

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Does anyone trustworthy offer a paid version of Firefox? I don't know of one, but I'd be customer #1. The pitch is clear: "Users are our only customers. We'll always do what's best for you and we'll do it completely transparently."

Donate to Mozilla.org - bam, paid Firefox

Re: Firefox Suggest (address bar based ads, currently limited to US)

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Safari is nowadays getting ~$15,000,000,000 per year with a Google search deal. Meanwhile Mozilla has been ignoring their core user base going as far as laying off development teams working on Firefox components in the name of cost saving while they try to diversify income to support the rest of Mozilla (which makes basically nothing) yet they've retain their own Google search deal with lower user share for At this p…

I was amazed/saddened that they laid off the Servo team. That seemed like the one really worthwhile improvement Mozilla had bet on in a decade. I use and appreciate Firefox, maybe it's partly nostalgia for when FF pushed the web experience forward.

Maintaining even one browser engine is an ungodly amount of work (see how even microsoft dropped the ball on that), let alone 2. Discontinuing Servo was the correct decision however sad it is. On the other hand, Firefox does incorporate more and more Rust into the browser, but reimplementing such a core part is simply infeasible.

Re: Firefox Suggest (address bar based ads, currently limited to US)

#83
post #81

Does anyone trustworthy offer a paid version of Firefox? I don't know of one, but I'd be customer #1. The pitch is clear: "Users are our only customers. We'll always do what's best for you and we'll do it completely transparently."

Donate to Mozilla.org - bam, paid Firefox

Donations to (non-profit) Mozilla Foundation are not (afaik can not be) used to support development work done by (for-profit) Mozilla Cooperation, which is where Mozilla's Firefox development happens.

Re: Firefox Suggest (address bar based ads, currently limited to US)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately Mozilla is already a publicly funded nonprofit.

Well they're fucking it up, royally, and it seems hard to do worse. I wish they'd stop wasting money on dumb projects like a VPN and instead just focus on making a fast, modern browser that respects my privacy and doesn't fucking show me ads.

Okay, will you pay for that?

I think VPN would be/hopefully will be a great escape rope for Firefox, as it fits well with their privacy orientedness, and does pay somewhat for the development costs.

Re: Firefox Suggest (address bar based ads, currently limited to US)

#85

Does anyone trustworthy offer a paid version of Firefox? I don't know of one, but I'd be customer #1. The pitch is clear: "Users are our only customers. We'll always do what's best for you and we'll do it completely transparently."

Genuinely curious if this could possibly work when there are so many free option pre-installed on devices (Edge and Safari) or only a click away (Chrome). What would you have to charge willing users a year to break even on this?

Firefox gets $500M/yr for making Google it’s default browser. If each user pays $50/yr that’s 10M users just to match what FF considers inadequate revenue.

Re: Firefox Suggest (address bar based ads, currently limited to US)

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After 19 years on Firefox I moved to Edge in August. While I always kicked the tires on Chrome and other browsers over the years, I never felt compelled to switch until now. I'm still on Edge and while it's a work in progress, I'm pretty happy with it. It just took a while to get everything setup how I like it. While ads definitely help keep me away, I left because the keyword shortcuts for search engines claim to work in settings, but don't actually work. Moving from DDG with it's !bang support to another search engine and replacing bangs with browser shortcuts meant moving to an omnibar. If I'm doing that, I may as well get the advantages of Blink/V8.

And it's my longheld belief that most people should use native browsers, as they have natural technical advantages on a platform. Now I'm in alignment on my own hardware. I use Safari on iOS and Edge on Windows. I do keep Edge installed on iOS for the send to device functionality, which doesn't work too well right now. More evidence that Edge seems to be a WIP but it's definitely got a bright future.

Re: Firefox Suggest (address bar based ads, currently limited to US)

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Mozilla please just give us a Firefox Pro that costs a few quid a month I make basically all my income via Firefox indirectly.. if you want a slice just ask for it, don't be creepy

Interesting idea. What would Firefox Pro offer to users?

Re: Firefox Suggest (address bar based ads, currently limited to US)

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Ads and privacy just do not belong and cannot be together. Why…

Of course they go can together. Ads can be coupled with the content rather than the user, as they are in print, on the radio and on TV. What is incompatible with privacy is user stalking -- i.e. surveillance in the name of monitoring/improving ad effectiveness.

I'd argue that this works only because there is a hard stop. A newspaper can not track you even if it wanted to.

On the web, contextual ads is where everyone begins as they "don't want to be evil". But ad monetized business models can make more money only in two ways - more users or more ads per user.

Once you exhaust the first option for growth, the businesses inevitably pursue the second option because the web as a platform allows them to do that easily with additional tracking and data monetization, unlike with newspapers or radio.

That makes this a 'soft' stop and the temptation has been proven too hard to resist for many, analogue to putting a jar of cookies in front of a child and asking them not to touch it.

It would be much 'healthier' if a business model itself was not designed in a way that puts it potentially onto a trajectory to collide with user's privacy at some point in time.

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