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Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by dd444fgdfg »

Le_Dook wrote: post #37
AustinDev wrote: post #16

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Ferarris don't contribute at all to global warming relatively. The many Gulfstream's and 747's the wealthy own are actually statistically significant in terms of impact.

Heck, I know they're hybrids but just look formula one. The total emissions of every car, from all sessions at every single race in a year combined produce less emissions than a one way flight from London to New York. Which is then completed negated by the fact that the drivers all take private jets around the world

i don't think that's a good comparison. think how many flights a single F1 race "causes". Not just the team members, theirs cars and equipment, but the millions of fans traveling to races around the world.

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by _3u10 »

mikewave wrote: post #72
tkbeili wrote: post #29

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Very interesting. In Canada, it will take years to recoup the price difference for buying an electric car even with government incentives. 25% VAT + Extra tax seems to work.

That's mostly because of the lack of midmarket cars. I bought a used sub-$20k electrical car a few months ago; it can be done. The market needs pressure to create cars in that price range; right now EVs are mostly luxury cars. Tesla is not the car we should be aiming for; what we need are things in the class of the E-Golf, Kia Niro, FFE, Fiat 500E etc. that are the size of a Corolla and cost 20k CAD or less. Until th…

Yeah, used EVs depreciate quickly. I'm comparing new Tesla Plaids to the C8 Corvette and due to depreciation its looking like the C8 will be much cheaper, and much more fun to drive. The C8 will drop 30k in 5 years according to C6/C7 data, whereas a Plaid will likely drop 70k. If I spend less than $800 a month on fuel the C8 is cheaper.

Currently C8s are appreciating their first year, which is really weird.

The Model S is really chonky at almost 5000 lbs, which is the same as a 4Runner.

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by ostenning »

thomasfl wrote: post #14

There's a huge price difference between electric cars and gas fueled cars here in Norway. Gas fueled car buyers have to pay both 25 percent VAT and an additional tax on purchase. Buyers don't have to pay neither of those taxes if they buy an electric car. The singer of the group A-ha, Morten Harket, bought an electrical car in 1989 and refused to pay road tolls and ignored all the subsequent fines. That got a lot of…

Meanwhile in Australia: electric cars are getting taxed more to support the aging oil infrastructure

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by nereye »

tkbeili wrote: post #29
thomasfl wrote: post #14

There's a huge price difference between electric cars and gas fueled cars here in Norway. Gas fueled car buyers have to pay both 25 percent VAT and an additional tax on purchase. Buyers don't have to pay neither of those taxes if they buy an electric car. The singer of the group A-ha, Morten Harket, bought an electrical car in 1989 and refused to pay road tolls and ignored all the subsequent fines. That got a lot of…

Very interesting. In Canada, it will take years to recoup the price difference for buying an electric car even with government incentives. 25% VAT + Extra tax seems to work.

And in parts of Canada apparently you have to pay additional taxes if you buy an EV, i.e. there are disincentives as opposed to incentives. Sold as being an effort to balance the lack of revenue from EVs skipping the various taxes on gas. E.g.: https://electrek.co/2021/10/04/canadian-group-satirizes-sask....

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by opinion-is-bad »

bpodgursky wrote: post #76
bellyfullofbac wrote: post #15

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I don't think it's a country of virtue signallers as you think, just people who like to get the best bang for their buck. And gas cars as well as fuel get taxed so much, that buying electric makes sense for them. Who would've thunk, economic incentives help!? Sadly in many other places the deciding economic incentives are the ones the politicians get from the oil and ICE car industry.

The claim is not that the individuals buying cars are signalling, it is the public policy (incentivizing individual EV ownership while exporting carbon emissions) which is hypocritical.

Norway also spends a lot of energy criticizing foreign regimes for attempting to follow the same path as Norway; prosperity through natural resource extraction. It’s great that Norway has gotten rich enough to turn the corner, but not every country is so fortunate.

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by mfer »

thomasfl wrote: post #14

There's a huge price difference between electric cars and gas fueled cars here in Norway. Gas fueled car buyers have to pay both 25 percent VAT and an additional tax on purchase. Buyers don't have to pay neither of those taxes if they buy an electric car. The singer of the group A-ha, Morten Harket, bought an electrical car in 1989 and refused to pay road tolls and ignored all the subsequent fines. That got a lot of…

How is Norway handling the increased use of the electric grid? I ask because Elon noted the US power grid needed to double output to handle a full is transition

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by Koshkin »

mikewave wrote: post #70
thomasfl wrote: post #14

There's a huge price difference between electric cars and gas fueled cars here in Norway. Gas fueled car buyers have to pay both 25 percent VAT and an additional tax on purchase. Buyers don't have to pay neither of those taxes if they buy an electric car. The singer of the group A-ha, Morten Harket, bought an electrical car in 1989 and refused to pay road tolls and ignored all the subsequent fines. That got a lot of…

What was he driving in '89?

A converted Fiat Panda.

https://reasonstobecheerful.world/norway-gm-electric-cars-mo...

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by vkou »

richlandlord wrote: post #74
robotresearcher wrote: post #52

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Which is a political decision made in a democracy, not a law of physics. Norwegians chose to do this. (Yes, a relatively small subset of people are actually empowered in a democracy, but it's the least-bad system known, etc etc).

Not only there was no referendum that allowed Norwegians to decide if this was their political volition, but political volition alone is not enough to tax something. If it were, everything would be taxed, because you can construct any 51% against any 49% on any topic and add a tax. If you want to know what Norwegians really think about the tax, make it optional and see how many people pay for it.

> If you want to know what Norwegians really think about the tax, make it optional and see how many people pay for it.

If you want to see what Norwegians really think about paying for things in stores, make shoplifting laws completely optional, and replace cash registers with tip jars, and see how that works out.

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by fortuna86 »

thomasfl wrote: post #14

There's a huge price difference between electric cars and gas fueled cars here in Norway. Gas fueled car buyers have to pay both 25 percent VAT and an additional tax on purchase. Buyers don't have to pay neither of those taxes if they buy an electric car. The singer of the group A-ha, Morten Harket, bought an electrical car in 1989 and refused to pay road tolls and ignored all the subsequent fines. That got a lot of…

> Norway is one of Tesla's main market.

This is also because they are a small, very rich country and cannot be used as a comparison to others.

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