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Twitch Hack of 135 GB of Data Includes How Much Its Biggest Streamers Make

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And someone was really quick to make this: https://www.twitchearnings.com/

Didn't scroll that far but there's over 1000 streamers making 6 figures. I'm surprised.

Well there are over 1000 streamers making 6 figures over two years, there's just under 1000 streamers averaging over 6 figures a year (from only Twitch, i.e. excluding things like sponsorships and donations).

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> it's illegal to download stolen data It is illegal to initially steal data. But can you clarify which law would be violated by downloading it? And by "illegal" do you mean civil or criminal law?

Copyright law, just at a baseline.

Copyright may be violated by uploading (rather than downloading), but even then Twitch would need to show that you caused them monetary damages and sue you in a civil court.

I'm not sure what "at a baseline" means. If you know of other specific legal violations then name them, so we can discuss it.

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Even the sub 1k streamers make way more than I imagined.

Yep! Several that I watch that only draw about 300-500 viewers in a session have taken in > six figures. Even over two years that's a heck of a supplementary income (they both have day jobs afaik from their commentary)

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I'd prefer to keep my finances private, thanks. No good can come from nosey-ass family members, scammers, sales people, etc knowing this kind of information. It doesn't fight against tax evasion or anything, because the wealthy of the world will have yet another incentive to mask their income / assets through any of the number of mechanisms currently available. If you want pay transparency to fight pay inequality, th…

I don't live in Norway but OP didn't seem to suffer from second order consequences of divulging income. Maybe culture can be a factor here too.

You say that, but in 2014 they introduced protections that made it impossible to search the database anonymously. People are now informed who has accessed their information, when, and are provided information about the searcher in question, such as birth year and postal codes. Also, a person is only allowed to see a limited number of people's returns.

skatteentaten.no also lists a bunch of other privacy restrictions that they have in place.

This was, in part, to discourage criminals using the database to target wealthy people, and to curtail some of the harassment that resulted from this information being brought to light. This change apparently was a enough to dissuade the majority of usage, as most people now apparently just search for themselves.

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That seems like it lands in the distribution ballpark the comment above was referring to, yes. The poorest 10% not paying very much in taxes is a feature of the system. And assuming your figures are correct, that 71% might look like a lot until you consider that the marginal tax rate for the very rich is very, very low in the United States compared to other developed countries, or even the United States prior to the…

By what logic does that imply that the States should raise taxes on the rich? The States are doing so much better than the rest of the world economically that we should follow the American example, not vice versa.

It implies that there's way, way too much wealth in the top 10% if the bottom 90% is only supplying 29% of the tax revenue.

I don't think too many people, at least in other developed countries, are looking at the United States and thinking "wow, I wish my country was more like the United States." Usually such comparisons are made to the Scandinavian countries.

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I don't live in Norway but OP didn't seem to suffer from second order consequences of divulging income. Maybe culture can be a factor here too.

You say that, but in 2014 they introduced protections that made it impossible to search the database anonymously. People are now informed who has accessed their information, when, and are provided information about the searcher in question, such as birth year and postal codes. Also, a person is only allowed to see a limited number of people's returns. skatteentaten.no also lists a bunch of other privacy restrictions…

ah.. social dynamics are so strange.

Thanks for the data though.

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And someone was really quick to make this: https://www.twitchearnings.com/

I expected to see Ninja at #1, surprised he is #46

I expected to see more booby streamers at the top. Amouranth is barely top 50.

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I lament the fact that we need hacks like these to know who makes how much money. In countries like Norway, that kind of data is publicly available. It makes for less second-guessing and less suspiciousness. It always struck me as weird that the American Dream can best be lived in Scandinavia

> In countries like Norway, that kind of data is publicly available. It makes for less second-guessing and less suspiciousness.

That just means the very rich need more creative accountants.

"See I don't own the jet, per se, I just own a majority of shares in a corporation headquartered in Cyprus that owns said asset"

> It always struck me as weird that the American Dream can best be lived in Scandinavia

I don't think the American Dream is really compatible with Janteloven

https://www.lifeinnorway.net/what-exactly-is-janteloven/

Re: Twitch Hack of 135 GB of Data Includes How Much Its Biggest Streamers Make

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems like it lands in the distribution ballpark the comment above was referring to, yes. The poorest 10% not paying very much in taxes is a feature of the system. And assuming your figures are correct, that 71% might look like a lot until you consider that the marginal tax rate for the very rich is very, very low in the United States compared to other developed countries, or even the United States prior to the…

By what logic does that imply that the States should raise taxes on the rich? The States are doing so much better than the rest of the world economically that we should follow the American example, not vice versa.

China is also doing so much better than the rest of the world economically, should we adopt their system?
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