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AI Is No Match for the Quirks of Human Intelligence

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Re: AI Is No Match for the Quirks of Human Intelligence

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The pattern I've seen over many decades is to say "computers can't do X", then when computers do X, they move the goalposts and say well, X wasn't really that hard, it didn't require the kind of intelligence humans have. A short list of examples: Chess Driving Go Human level bipedal locomotion Facial recognition The list goes on.

Driving isn't solved though. There are very limited areas where computers can drive. Apart form that, driving is done entirely by humans.

Driving would be a task where AI could become hugely important and help to solve labor shortages (see UK right now). But it's not nearly there yet. Apart from that, I don't see anything in that list that would make a big impact on humanity. Solving Chess and Go was impressive, but it doesn't really change people's lives. And facial recognition seems to have more malicious use cases than ethical ones.

And bipedal locomotion has improved but is it really solved? Are there robots that can reliably perform the range of motion that humans can? There are some very expensive robots that can jump or run but that's only a small part of what humans can do.

From my subjective observations, there's very little automation in the physical world. It's all still done by humans. No matter if it's picking up trash, stocking supermarket shelves, driving buses and trucks or delivering the mail. Many of those (maybe except for driving) are extremely simple tasks for humans, they haven't been reliably solved by machines or are far more expensive than hiring humans.

Re: AI Is No Match for the Quirks of Human Intelligence

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If true then robot cars are scarier then I've thought ... AI is going to be able to process the right scenario to avoid a deadly crash within the first decade or more of market adoption or the programmers are going to learn and ship bug fixes for each person their prior code killed? *I'm always downvoted for this thought but is this not the true way forward with robot cars? Those who downvote me think the first batch…

It's a legitimate question but the mechanism of how it works is completely wrong. Many people will be killed by any given mass market implementation of self driving cars. Those people will be killed by crashes that a human could not have avoided, people will be killed by errors few humans would make (e.g. "plowing into an overturned truck at full speed") and people will NOT be killed by facets of the system that huma…

The important part here is to use the right benchmark for human drivers. Crash statistics are heavily skewed by drivers that are speeding or under the influence. That can be the right benchmark to show how AI driving can help in certain circumstances, but they don't show why most human drivers should be replaced.

Taking those out and considering assistance systems in new cars (which already work quite well), AI has to perform incredibly well to drive safer, especially if it can only drive in easy weather conditions.

Re: AI Is No Match for the Quirks of Human Intelligence

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If true then robot cars are scarier then I've thought ... AI is going to be able to process the right scenario to avoid a deadly crash within the first decade or more of market adoption or the programmers are going to learn and ship bug fixes for each person their prior code killed? *I'm always downvoted for this thought but is this not the true way forward with robot cars? Those who downvote me think the first batch…

> and ship bug fixes for each person their prior code killed My question is always, who is responsible for those deaths? Or will we just have so little care for life that we consider them "for the cause"?

It depends on the kind of accident. Currently, accidents are also treated very differently depending on intend and the likelihood that this fault would've been made by other drivers. I assume software will be judged under the same circumstances.

Re: AI Is No Match for the Quirks of Human Intelligence

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The pattern I've seen over many decades is to say "computers can't do X", then when computers do X, they move the goalposts and say well, X wasn't really that hard, it didn't require the kind of intelligence humans have. A short list of examples: Chess Driving Go Human level bipedal locomotion Facial recognition The list goes on.

Driving isn't solved though. There are very limited areas where computers can drive. Apart form that, driving is done entirely by humans. Driving would be a task where AI could become hugely important and help to solve labor shortages (see UK right now). But it's not nearly there yet. Apart from that, I don't see anything in that list that would make a big impact on humanity. Solving Chess and Go was impressive, but…

Humans haven't solved driving either though.

Re: AI Is No Match for the Quirks of Human Intelligence

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At what point does the current AI hype machine crash? It feels like these startups all sell solutions to the top 20 or so companies, competing for a very limited market. It's table stakes for everybody else, an "all-or-nothing" achievement for AI. By contrast, even a small amount of connectivity improved things dramatically for huge swaths of industry. That's how the internet started small and grew up. AI seems to re…

I have largely been critical of machine learning for some time, I don't think it will crash though. I feel many people have been misled on what deep learning and machine learning actually do and therefore become confused on its limitations, but once you understand it as a general statistics-fitting paradigm, it is easy to ask yourself - can you solve this problem by fitting a complex pig pen around a dataset? Or, another way, is your solution based around classification in some way? If the answer is no, then modern AI techniques won't be able to get you an answer.

As crude as it may seem, rules engines and long sheets of If this Then that heuristics tend to solve more complex systems that can't be statistically fit, but I feel machine learning is slowly approaching a point where it can deduce those If Then statements. The main problem is that as humans we cannot comprehend the wealth of connections that might lead to a certain heuristic, so it is very difficult to tell a modern AI that it is wrong in a more abstract or pattern-based sense, and these approaches tend to collapse back into statistical data fitting. I can easily communicate with you if your understanding is wrong, but it is hard to do that with an AI, mostly we can either fix the data, or adjust the training parameters and wait. That is why it seems to rely on all-or-nothing, as there isn't much control on the iterative learning process on a network apart from startup options and testing after the fact.

To me, the real breakthrough will come by creating models of abstract thought. Some models exist as heuristic systems, which require an exhaustive set of rules to model various aspects of thinking, and some are probabilistic in nature and can be taught to a machine learning application, but neither of these model everything, nor do they do all of their topics equally well. Whichever paradigm can come up with a robust model first will likely come up top in the AI paradigm wars, but it could be tomorrow, could be next century.

Re: AI Is No Match for the Quirks of Human Intelligence

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I am really new to this AI game and I hear it from many people that it is the future and some say it is the hype.

I think the future is on middle ground, but I'm not sure what that middle ground it can any one tell from their experience and/or expertise what that middle ground is ?

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