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Tesla Q3 2021 Vehicle Production and Deliveries

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Re: Tesla Q3 2021 Vehicle Production and Deliveries

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You could nearly double your range by buying two model Y’s it would give you around 600 miles — a much better price, and theoretically you could tow charge one and charge it, so it’s not out of the realm of possible. To be fairrrr, only people that have range anxiety are those that listen to the oil and gas industry.

At that point maybe somebody could start selling a ginormous battery pack on wheels. Buying a second car just to increase range seems ridiculous.

More ridiculous than buying 1 car for double the price? I’m confused.

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> and theoretically you could tow charge one and charge it Charge it... from where? There isn't a free energy source here...

The fact that you can charge an electric vehicle by towing it in gear is common knowledge among those with knowledge of how EVs work - you're basically just relying on regen to put juice back into the battery, using the motor as a generator.

You can, but it's not an infinite energy machine, the increased resistance to moving forwards is going to suck more energy out of the first vehicles battery than it is going to put into the second, your total range will be strictly less than if you didn't do that.

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I mean, a Model X with some options hits $110k quick. A fully kitted long range Y is about $65k. That latter number is a lot still, but way, way, way closer in the range of what an above average income earner can afford. There is also the absurdity of spending $100k+ on an asset that depreciates so heavily. My spouse and I make enough money to afford this car without much thought, but there isn’t a chance in hell I’d…

You could nearly double your range by buying two model Y’s it would give you around 600 miles — a much better price, and theoretically you could tow charge one and charge it, so it’s not out of the realm of possible. To be fairrrr, only people that have range anxiety are those that listen to the oil and gas industry.

> you could tow charge one

This doesn't work out. The extra drain on the towing car more than makes up for the regen that the towed car gets.

Re: Tesla Q3 2021 Vehicle Production and Deliveries

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At that point maybe somebody could start selling a ginormous battery pack on wheels. Buying a second car just to increase range seems ridiculous.

More ridiculous than buying 1 car for double the price? I’m confused.

People pay twice the price for other reasons too. Performance and cost seldom have linear relation.

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They're a new company but they're also not that new anymore if you consider that they've been an established player for years now.

There are car brands that were established in the 1800s.

I bet their drivetrains are a bit younger than that.

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More ridiculous than buying 1 car for double the price? I’m confused.

People pay twice the price for other reasons too. Performance and cost seldom have linear relation.

You can say that about anything. The point here is that buying a Model S/X for 100k instead of buying two Model Y cannot be defended by performance metrics alone.

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The fact that you can charge an electric vehicle by towing it in gear is common knowledge among those with knowledge of how EVs work - you're basically just relying on regen to put juice back into the battery, using the motor as a generator.

You can , but it's not an infinite energy machine, the increased resistance to moving forwards is going to suck more energy out of the first vehicles battery than it is going to put into the second, your total range will be strictly less than if you didn't do that.

You have 0% energy added by having one Model x/S. How impractical it is, fine: but, the fact you might be able to do it in the future gives model y’s cars the better decision over one Model X/S

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Isn’t this even more impressive with the current chip shortage affecting every other car manufacturer on the planet?

Not sure where I read this but Tesla seems to rely a lot more on software than specialized chips so they can swap them out for another one that's available, with lot less effort than other manufacturers.

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Established players can't produce these numbers for their own EV's so you believe a startup will? Do people remember how much shit Tesla went through?

I think Rivian will take the startup approach and pack as much density into their battery, even if it means sacrificing a large chunk of their margin. The r1t is supposed to have a weight of 8500 pounds[0], so I can see a 150-200kwh battery being packed in there on the Max pack to achieve that range. 0: https://insideevs.com/news/536753/rivian-r1t-gvwr-heavy-duty...

That's the gross vehicle weight rating, which is the max weight of the vehicle including cargo. The R1T has a curb weight of ~7,000lbs[0] with the 135kWh battery. That is still as much as a Dually F-350. The 180kWh option would be heavier still and start eating into the payload capacity.

[0]https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1133704_review-rivian-r...

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For reference: they did 139k in Q3 2020 and 184k in Q1 2021. That's pretty nice growth, but still much less than any major car company.

These numbers do not include Giga Texas or Giga Berlin, both of which are nearing completion. Each of these factories are estimated to ramp to 500k vehicles/year in the first phase (going far higher in the years to follow). Giga Texas alone has around 8 million square feet of factory space, whereas GM has around 33.9 million square feet factory space, dedicated purely to ICE vehicle production, in its 10 US factories…

If these projections are true, one fifth of Toyota by 2022 and still growing is an astonishing achievement.
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