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Companies should probably pay $2k per person for open source (2017)

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Re: Companies should probably pay $2k per person for open source (2017)

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Post by mmiyer »

coolspot wrote: post #80
dnautics wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not far off for a developer in the US. You figure they make somewhere from 80-150k in the median, X2 all-in cost as a rule of thumb for employment in the US, so 2k/dev is ~1% or "rounding error"

Can you please elaborate what are “X2 all-in cost” for a $150k software engineer? I can imagine it would include things like an office space, snacks, yoga classes, etc. I don’t think it is anywhere close to additional $150k, maybe $10-20k.

Health insurance and other benefits add up.

Re: Companies should probably pay $2k per person for open source (2017)

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Post by maccard »

908B64B197 wrote: post #45
maccard wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet it's still in a contract. Just because it's unenforcable doesn't mean you're not going to have a shit time dragging your employer to court over it.

Just strike it out and get it removed.

And what happens if your employer says "no sorry that's our standard contract"?

Re: Companies should probably pay $2k per person for open source (2017)

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Post by littlestymaar »

coolspot wrote: post #80
dnautics wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not far off for a developer in the US. You figure they make somewhere from 80-150k in the median, X2 all-in cost as a rule of thumb for employment in the US, so 2k/dev is ~1% or "rounding error"

Can you please elaborate what are “X2 all-in cost” for a $150k software engineer? I can imagine it would include things like an office space, snacks, yoga classes, etc. I don’t think it is anywhere close to additional $150k, maybe $10-20k.

Your software engineer, have a manager, was hired by the Human Resource department based on a contract written by the legal team. Your company also most likely has sales persons, marketing, project management and a product development team. Then you have office cost, health insurance plans, etc.

Re: Companies should probably pay $2k per person for open source (2017)

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Post by axegon_ »

maccard wrote: post #82
908B64B197 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just strike it out and get it removed.

And what happens if your employer says "no sorry that's our standard contract"?

That's what happened in my case. I signed it regardless because the law in my country makes this worth as much as the paper it's written on but you know... Your options are either to roll with it or move on to the next job.

Re: Companies should probably pay $2k per person for open source (2017)

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Post by [deleted] »

mmiyer wrote: post #81
coolspot wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you please elaborate what are “X2 all-in cost” for a $150k software engineer? I can imagine it would include things like an office space, snacks, yoga classes, etc. I don’t think it is anywhere close to additional $150k, maybe $10-20k.

Health insurance and other benefits add up.

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Re: Companies should probably pay $2k per person for open source (2017)

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Post by dudus »

curryst wrote: post #79
malwarebytess wrote: post #77

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There's several 100+ million dollar businesses where I live that make their money on phone support/installation/deployment of open source software they maintain. Nobody pays for the software, but they'll pay out the nose on a yearly basis for support.

That creates a perverse incentive where you want your open source stuff to be hard to use so people have to pay you. Plus there's no guarantee that the developers will be the ones making money. There's a lot of ire at Amazon because of that.

Or even worse, it creates an incentive for the big cloud conglomerates to offer that software as a managed service and pocket the revenue.

Re: Companies should probably pay $2k per person for open source (2017)

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Post by 908B64B197 »

maccard wrote: post #82
908B64B197 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just strike it out and get it removed.

And what happens if your employer says "no sorry that's our standard contract"?

That's a red flag.

Hope the option package is worth it.

Re: Companies should probably pay $2k per person for open source (2017)

#88

Post by tester756 »

littlestymaar wrote: post #83
coolspot wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you please elaborate what are “X2 all-in cost” for a $150k software engineer? I can imagine it would include things like an office space, snacks, yoga classes, etc. I don’t think it is anywhere close to additional $150k, maybe $10-20k.

Your software engineer, have a manager, was hired by the Human Resource department based on a contract written by the legal team. Your company also most likely has sales persons, marketing, project management and a product development team. Then you have office cost, health insurance plans, etc.

it's amortized between all devs.

Re: Companies should probably pay $2k per person for open source (2017)

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Post by kderbyma »

I may be alone, but I believe that open source should be wholly free except for the contribution of returning and modifications to the public domain.

The reality is, if these tools are so worth it, the company will support them in house as needed, but the idea that community needs to pay for software suddenly because some people want to work on it full time is a bit odd.

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