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Re: Canadian military saw pandemic as opportunity to test propaganda techniques

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Post by bawolff » Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 6:42 AM UTC

arcticbull wrote: post #34

etimberg wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The war measures act was repealed in 1988

Indeed, it was replaced with the Emergenices Act as I mentioned. In fact Justin Trudeau considered invoking it for the first time since the replacement in the COVID situation. [edit] Between that and the Notwithstanding Clause [1] there's a lot of latitude here. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_33_of_the_Canadian_Cha...

The emergencies act doesn't allow for using military in the event of a public welfare emergency, as you seem to implying. It doesn't even allow for the federal government to order the police around

> 9 (1) Nothing in a declaration of a public welfare emergency or in any order or regulation made pursuant thereto shall be construed or applied so as to derogate from, or to authorize the derogation from, the control or direction of the government of a province or a municipality over any police force over which it normally has control or direction.

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/E-4.5/page-1.html#h...

[Provinces can request military help, but that's unrelated to either the emergencies act or the now repealed war measures act]

Re: Canadian military saw pandemic as opportunity to test propaganda techniques

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Post by bawolff » Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 6:44 AM UTC

busymom0 wrote: post #80

bawolff wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's already been a ruling on this https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/nl-trav...

The court used the section 1 of the charter in that case, not the notwithstanding clause. Also CCLA is appealing that case if I remember reading right.

I meant in response to your second part about sect. 1 applying.

Re: Canadian military saw pandemic as opportunity to test propaganda techniques

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Post by lmm » Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 7:14 AM UTC

otikik wrote: post #74

lithium_throw wrote: post #70

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It absolutely has. I maintain that without social media, which simultaneously provided a way into everyone's thoughts, and also contented people with a feeling of connectedness while living under house arrest conditions of historic proportions, people would have simply rejected the whole campaign of Covid restrictions.

And Brexit

You've got that backwards. Brexit is the prime example of the British public rejecting a campaign that was being pushed on them.

Re: Canadian military saw pandemic as opportunity to test propaganda techniques

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Post by sofixa » Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 7:42 AM UTC

lithium_throw wrote: post #70

archsurface wrote: post #55

If the UK hasn't been doing the same thing I'll eat my hat.

It absolutely has. I maintain that without social media, which simultaneously provided a way into everyone's thoughts, and also contented people with a feeling of connectedness while living under house arrest conditions of historic proportions, people would have simply rejected the whole campaign of Covid restrictions.

Quarantines and lockdowns have been used throughout history to combat epidemics, with great success. Why do you think that the only thing that made people accept the latest ones is social media?

Re: Canadian military saw pandemic as opportunity to test propaganda techniques

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Post by sofixa » Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 7:43 AM UTC

lmm wrote: post #83

otikik wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Brexit

You've got that backwards. Brexit is the prime example of the British public rejecting a campaign that was being pushed on them.

Both sides did heavy pushing, albeit one included much more lies (where are the 350 million per week for the NHS, Boris?)

Re: Canadian military saw pandemic as opportunity to test propaganda techniques

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Post by lithium_throw » Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 8:29 AM UTC

sofixa wrote: post #84

lithium_throw wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It absolutely has. I maintain that without social media, which simultaneously provided a way into everyone's thoughts, and also contented people with a feeling of connectedness while living under house arrest conditions of historic proportions, people would have simply rejected the whole campaign of Covid restrictions.

Quarantines and lockdowns have been used throughout history to combat epidemics, with great success. Why do you think that the only thing that made people accept the latest ones is social media?

When? Maybe a town or village got isolated, and becaome the "unclean" zone.

There is absolutely no precedent for putting entire countries under effective house arrest for months at a time, and for a disease with such a low mortality rate.

Re: Canadian military saw pandemic as opportunity to test propaganda techniques

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Post by Gibbon1 » Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 8:35 AM UTC

sofixa wrote: post #84

lithium_throw wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It absolutely has. I maintain that without social media, which simultaneously provided a way into everyone's thoughts, and also contented people with a feeling of connectedness while living under house arrest conditions of historic proportions, people would have simply rejected the whole campaign of Covid restrictions.

Quarantines and lockdowns have been used throughout history to combat epidemics, with great success. Why do you think that the only thing that made people accept the latest ones is social media?

Because they all feel a need to deny that people willingly participating have both agency and practical intelligence. Agency you make decisions and act on them. Practical intelligence means being able to weigh risks and your own knowledge to make appropriately hedged bets.

And another thing people engaging in prosocial mitigations have seen that they actually work and thus feel a sense of control over the situation. That in particular rankles political and public health leaders, and especially rankles covid denialists.

Re: Canadian military saw pandemic as opportunity to test propaganda techniques

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Post by mdp2021 » Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 8:42 AM UTC

sofixa wrote: post #84

lithium_throw wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It absolutely has. I maintain that without social media, which simultaneously provided a way into everyone's thoughts, and also contented people with a feeling of connectedness while living under house arrest conditions of historic proportions, people would have simply rejected the whole campaign of Covid restrictions.

Quarantines and lockdowns have been used throughout history to combat epidemics, with great success. Why do you think that the only thing that made people accept the latest ones is social media?

Has Canada, a territory of extremely low population density, been under strict stay-at-home orders - prohibiting not "to see other people", but just to leave the house? I remember the months-old anecdote of a policeman accusing a driver, while fining him, to have put the community at risk, because in case of car accident he would have forced human interaction. I am not sure - I have little information.

So, right: if that is factual (it is unfortunately possible), to arrive to such degree of irrationality and abuse against clean, linear thinking and good sense, social media can only have a relative weight.

Re: Canadian military saw pandemic as opportunity to test propaganda techniques

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Post by BoxOfRain » Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 9:05 AM UTC

archsurface wrote: post #55

If the UK hasn't been doing the same thing I'll eat my hat.

We absolutely have, the SAGE subcommittee SPI-B employed what are in my opinion some unethical behavioural psychology tactics. The level of nationalism around the NHS is an absolutely masterful method of propaganda, I don't agree with it in the slightest but I do respect the talent of its architects! Ask your average Briton and they genuinely believe the NHS is the best health system on the planet, they'll also be absolutely adamant that this is their own opinion and that fetishising a government department to this degree isn't nationalism.

Re: Canadian military saw pandemic as opportunity to test propaganda techniques

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 9:08 AM UTC

lithium_throw wrote: post #86

sofixa wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quarantines and lockdowns have been used throughout history to combat epidemics, with great success. Why do you think that the only thing that made people accept the latest ones is social media?

When? Maybe a town or village got isolated, and becaome the "unclean" zone. There is absolutely no precedent for putting entire countries under effective house arrest for months at a time, and for a disease with such a low mortality rate.

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