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Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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This article doesn't mention the fact that Apple lied, and that Tim Cook "promised" in court that Epic would be let back in the app store if they promised to comply with the rules. Epic made that exact promise [1]. And now Apple's telling them: F you. What's going on at Apple? [1]: https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/news/apple-lied-breaks-... and https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/144071146788861543... And t…

> Cook said that Apple was not thinking about money at all, and Fortnite's revenue was not a consideration.

That's a bald faced lie. Of course it is about the money.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tim is in the fight for idealogical reasons, not calculated business ones.

And thank "God" for people like him[1]. Life is unbearable under Tim Cook's "vision", the greed, arrogance and pettiness is at an all-time high, and it's not like it was low before.. [1] Also, nothing is black and white, of course Tim/Epic were looking to get more money from what their customers paid.

My life under Tim Cook's "vision" is pretty sweet when it comes to electronic devices.

With a tap of a button I fill my house with lossless quality of music that is playing on astonishingly capable speakers. Those speakers also answer my questions and run automations on my phone which I can create in a very nice and user-friendly interface.

I'm currently watching an episode of a TV Series that is playing from my NAS on my mac through the only player on my Mac (I tried mpv, IINA and VLC) that is capable of playing 8k MKVs without hiccups - Infuse. That player is a port from an iPad app btw.

When I finished with my work I say "Hey, Siri, I'm done" and leave the room. Monitor's lightbar, other lights turns off. When it is getting dark my chosen lights turn on automatically, provided somebody's home. My printer doesn't consume electricity in the night because HomeKit automatically turns it off in the evening and turns it on in the morning. I don't need to worry about my daughter putting her fingers into shredder because it is always turned off. When I need it, I say "Hey Siri, turn on shredder". The shredder turns on and it then automatically turns off after 90 seconds.

When I get in my car I have a very nice screen on the dashboard that most of the time is capable of guessing where I'm about to go and suggests one-tap navigation. And the music starts playing from where I left off.

My photos are downloaded on several devices and backed up in the cloud. The albums are shared with my Mom who is very happy every time when I upload new photos of here granddaughter.

My private drm-free music collection is also uploaded to the cloud and synchronised to every device I've got.

I can say "Hey Siri, facetime Mom" and I'll see my mother's face over the distance of 17000km in a magnificent quality.

My books are synchronised and downloaded across all my devices as well and whenever I feel like reading one, it's right here. None of those books were bought from Apple btw, they are DRM-free.

The other day I was wondering if I should buy an iMac for my wife - would it fit in the kitchen or not? Well, there's AR technology on my phone that had no troubles presenting me how it would sit on the counter. Now there's also an AR app that helps me manage my arachnophobia.

I am an immigrant. In the past 5 years I had to do so many paperwork that it could fill a little closet. Luckily, compared to my peers I didn't have to print all of those PDFs out. I was able to sign them from my MacBook in Preview and using markup feature on my iPad.

I am also a software developer. I value and appreciate Unix core utils. Turns out my Mac is a certified Unix and I am able to automate a lot of things in my day-to-day job using small Unix tools that are imprinted into my fingers. All that while looking at _magnificent_ 4k monitor that delivers 100% of Adobe's gamut and doesn't make my eyes with weird font issues.

I love travelling into Australian Outback with my wife and we take some magnificent photos there with our iPhones without having to carry a lot of heavy equipment. We then are able to send this photos to each other whilst being completely off-the-grid, some hundreds of KM from nearest cell tower using AirDrop. It takes milliseconds. On the long drives my daughter can pick up here iPad and just watch some cartoons. iPad connects to the internet using my iPhone automatically when there's reception and Infuse has stuff that it downloaded form my Emby installation when there's none.

My podcasts are downloaded automatically without my intervention and put onto my watch. When I go for my walks I don't have to carry my phone. My watch and headphones suffice.

When I browse the web using my phone or my mac I don't see any advertisements and popups and auto-playing videos. Safari on my phone and mac is capable of having extensions and has APIs for adblocking applications. 1Blocker takes a good care of me when it comes to ads.

My phone provides me with tools to take care of my digital well-being. It lets me know which applications I used the most and when and lets me to block those applications for certain periods of time if I find an unhealthy habit.

I write my notes on my iPad. I don't need to cut trees anymore and it is more comfortable. With Notability I can zoom and cut my handwritten nodes and move them around and do all sorts of stuff I can't with regular pen and paper.

I recently bought an iPad for my Mom and added her into my Apple One subscription. Now she's in Russia and I'm in Australia and she is able to listen to her beloved old soviet decedent music virtually for free without needing to download it anywhere. I am calm and confident that she's safe using this device and probably of her getting scammed is quite a bit lower compare to any other device.

I'm looking forward to what other quality of life improvements Tim Cook's vision will bring to my life. I feel privileged that I have access to this magnificent technology and thankful for that.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Apple lowered fees to 15% for smaller developers thanks to this fight. So regardless of their motives epic picking this fight is a good thing.

Sure this is a "win" but just like Apple being pro-privacy it is all PR and only luck that it is a good thing for users too.

Isn't the "luck" in that case the spirit of having a competitive market?

In an effort to stifle off regulation, the self-interest of giant corporations are aligned with their otherwise powerless developers - even if coincidentally.

If the duopoly wasn't under scrutiny, this "luck" would have run out as there would be no real viable competition.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that Apple was allowed by the court to ban them indefinitely at their discretion, doesn't change the fact that making a public promise, in court (which was widely publicised at the time from what I recall) and reneging on it when their demands were met, is a little shocking, and certainly disappointing. The last time they made that promise was 8 days ago! > Apple says it won’t let Epic Games back in the App…

Except the demands were not met. Epic appealed the court decision, meaning that they are not ok with the demands.

Following the rules while protesting through a court case seems reasonable to me. Just because you flow the rules doesn't mean you think they are just. On the other hand, retaliating because someone genuinely believes they are being disadvantaged is quite the opposite of just.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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It's interesting to compare the situation Epic got itself into with previous episodes of Facebook & Google breaking Apple's rules. When Facebook and Google misused Developer Enterprise certificates to go beyond internal testing and distribute apps to end-consumers , Apple revoked their accounts. Both Facebook & Google simply admitted they screwed up and Apple reinstated their accounts.[1] No lawsuits. Epic broke Appl…

Epic didn’t promise that they will comply. Actually, Epic made it very clear that they do not want to comply. You can’t say „sure I’m ok with it“ while simultaneously filing an legal appeal on a court verdict forcing you to comply.

> You can’t say „sure I’m ok with it“ while simultaneously filing an legal appeal

They didn't say that. They said they will comply, not that they should comply. Complying doesn't preclude continuing a lawsuit because they believe they should not have to comply.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

#86

This article doesn't mention the fact that Apple lied, and that Tim Cook "promised" in court that Epic would be let back in the app store if they promised to comply with the rules. Epic made that exact promise [1]. And now Apple's telling them: F you. What's going on at Apple? [1]: https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/news/apple-lied-breaks-... and https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/144071146788861543... And t…

>Apple lied, and that Tim Cook "promised" in court that Epic would be let back in the app store if they promised to comply with the rules. Epic made that exact promise [1]. And now Apple's telling them: F you.

I think your post inadvertently makes things more confusing.

In short, the situation changed and got a little more complicated after Tim Cook previously said they'd reinstate Epic's account.

What are the new changes and complications created by the recent judge's ruling? Epic's "promise" has to be dissected into 2 component parts:

(#1) _direct_ in-app-purchases. This was the mechanism that originally got Epic kicked off the App Store last year. (The court ruling still doesn't force Apple to allow this and indeed, they reaffirmed this by ordering Epic to pay back $6 million (the "lost" 30% commissions) to Apple for bypassing Apple's in-app-purchases.)

(#2) _informing_ the user of alternative app payments via web links, etc. (the "anti-steering" in the court's ruling)

Apple's current guidelines don't allow for either (1) & (2). However, Epic wants to be back in the App Store and immediately use option #2 because they feel the judge's ruling to stop Apple anti-steering policy should be followed now. Apple disagrees because they think they have a right to impose anti-steering. Hence, everybody is still in appeals process.

Put another way, Sweeney's idea of "promise" does not match Cook's expectation of a promise which makes it invalid from Apple's perspective.

Contrary to public perception, "anti-steering" is not always illegal and Apple's legal team is probably aware of previous cases such as American Express winning their anti-steering case with The Supreme Court: https://www.pymnts.com/legal/2018/supreme-court-amex-case-an...

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Epic isn't going anywhere, the appstore wasn't a very significant part of their income. They wouldn't have picked this fight if they couldn't afford it.

>the appstore wasn't a very significant part of their income. So why did they even pick the fight?

To make more money. More is more even if it is not making their most important thing make more money.

Just like Apple has not killed most of their desktop offering just because they are not a very significant part of their income.

Also a big chunk of it is probably just Tim Sweeneys personal opinions (he owns over 50% epic by himself so what he says happens pretty much). Basically he is rather strongly (and very openly) against any walled garden platforms.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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No winners either side. And of course no winning for their customers either. I increasingly want nothing to do with battling corporate giants.

Indeed. It was quite clear from the beginning this is more about Epic's bottom line than the interest of users or developers.

> It was quite clear from the beginning this is more about Epic AND Apple's bottom line than the interest of users or developers.

FTFY

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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> Epic will resubmit Fortnite to the App Store if you adhere to the plain language of the court order and allow apps to include buttons and external links that direct customers to other purchasing mechanisms without onerous terms or impediments to a good user experience. That seems very reasonable, why wouldn't Apple be forced to comply with the court order?

Apple is complying with the court order (so far as we can currently tell). Not reinstating Epic’s developer account is a separate issue. It was explicitly stated in the court order that Apple was allowed to terminate Epic’s account and it was solely up to them if they wanted to reinstate it.

Opening the payment mechanisms for other developers is a separate issue to whether or not Epic could still sell iOS apps on the AppStore.

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