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Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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The social proof that a couch surfing reference brought was second to none. Each one boils down to this "I, a stranger, stayed for a few nights in this other strangers home for free, and they were good human beings". That social proof carried to any part of the globe you visited. I cannot think of an internet app that brought people together in a more meaningful and wholesome way at scale. It was great while it laste…

This was also the success secret of the early church. The apostles and shepherds who visited believers in other cities brought with them such social proof in the form of a written letter.

That was very standard in the Roman empire at the time. Formalized patronage relationships were one of the core social organizing principles and given the distances, a letter from your patron to one of their contacts was _the_ mechanism for social proof.

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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Membership fees was a horrible idea. They should have done a Wikipedia style "We need to pay to keep the lights on.. make a donation" and maybe offered a badge in return.

It's also strange they made the paywall for hosts and travelers the same. Who wants to pay to host other people?

The same people that wanted to host in the first place. When I was really into Couchsurfing, my girlfriend and I searched for apartments that made it easy to host, the same way that people seek ways to host via AirBnB.

I enjoyed hearing stories from travelers, and showing them around town.

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

#83
post #45

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I just checked with the guy who recommended it to me and he said when he used it, it was free. Website also seems to confirm that. Not sure what changed when?

I paid for it earlier this year and haven't yet used it but it seems to be really popular in PNW (where I go biking.)

It seems the thing you need to pay for is the app, it's free to use on the web?

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

#84

There's Pasporta Servo, still going strong since way before couchsurfing was a thing. You need a moderate amount of implication, which acts as a sort of filter for people who only want to goof around. This can be either a good or a bad thing.

"implication"?

Most likely it's a false friend, from a very similar Spanish word that means "commitment"

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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The social proof that a couch surfing reference brought was second to none. Each one boils down to this "I, a stranger, stayed for a few nights in this other strangers home for free, and they were good human beings". That social proof carried to any part of the globe you visited. I cannot think of an internet app that brought people together in a more meaningful and wholesome way at scale. It was great while it laste…

It was well thought out too, hard to spam with fake comments etc.

My family hosted people for a year or two and we were never empty. The appeal of a family home with a private room that had dozens of reviews from well travelled guests was so overwhelming people would take an air mattress in my study if the private room was taken by others. We regularly had multiple groups of people staying. Our record was 11 which included 6 German 19yr olds who had a campervan but wanted access to a shower after a week in the Australian summer together.

We also were contacted by one person who was trapped in one of those "We paid for your travel here so we've confiscated your passport and you work in our shop until we decide you've paid your debt" situations. We gave her the comfort to know she had a place to stay and then a friend and I went round to collect her, he was accidently still wearing his police uniform from work, so unsurprisingly we recovered her passport quite quickly.

It was a truly great site at that time, I stayed in a few places using it, but switched to AirBnB when I could no longer find places to stay in the cities I needed to visit.

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

#87
post #49

A few developers from different HospEx (hospitality exchange) platforms (Trustroots, WarmShowers Android app devs, BeWelcome) started an attempt to federate the HospEx world. Mariha (@mariha:matrix.org) was contributing for Warm Showers Android App and with https://warmshowers.bike/ happening she kind of kick-started the whole project. We got funding recently from https://ngi.eu and with that we start to work for the…

Besides federation, are you setting up as platform cooperatives? (Info: https://platform.coop/ , Example: https://fairbnb.coop/ )

I submitted this to HN so if anyone prefers a discussion here rather than on Matrix/Telegram feel free to comment there Here's the link to the submission: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28587228

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

#88
post #37

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Price's law: the square root of the population produces 50% of the trouble. Apply that to the US (328.2 million people) and we have that 18,116 individuals are responsible for 50% of problems. Mic drop

Uhhhhhhhh... the golden ratio.

Totally and like... problems are fractal in nature, you have problems within problems within problems!

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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post #37

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Pareto principle. 80% of people are decent human beings, but the 20% that aren’t cause 80% of the problems.

Price's law: the square root of the population produces 50% of the trouble. Apply that to the US (328.2 million people) and we have that 18,116 individuals are responsible for 50% of problems. Mic drop

And the square root of that is 135, which causes 25% of the total trouble. If we could only find these people and get rid of them, we'd have paradise on Earth!

And that's how genocides start.

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