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Mossad assassinated Iran’s chief nuke scientist with remote AI gun – report

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Post by pengaru »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #12

So what is Israel likely to do when Iran has a working nuke? I ask as a half jew. These questions are intensely interesting to me. Probably "no one knows" is a decent answer, but I can't help but wonder what sort of plans are already in place. EDIT: I immediately regret asking about politics. Never mind. Hopefully things will work out.

Israel seems likely to receive a similarly smuggled-in remotely-activated attack, in the form of a small nuclear bomb, with no clear evidence of who's responsible.

MAD doesn't seem effective if you don't know who to attack...

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Post by ceejayoz »

benbenbenjerry wrote: post #72
ceejayoz wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't imagine it's for lack of trying.

Trying to assassinate non-existing nuclear scientists? Yeah that's hard to imagine. Israel already has access to pretty advanced nuclear technology it is not actively trying to develop one like Iran is.

You think Israel has zero nuclear scientists? An arsenal requires maintenance, even if you aren’t actively making new warheads.

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Post by sevensunsets »

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #64
jsudi wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Demand the USA pays for an endless war in money and American lives, obviously.

An anti-Semitic, inaccurate trope. Israel had no horse in the Afghanistan fiasco, no interest in seeing Iran consume Iraq's power elite (status quo now), no love for Assad's continued reign in Syria, and zero interest in US interventions in Kosovo, Panama, Grenada, Vietnam or Korea. By contrast, Israeli lives sacrificed in Lebanon & Syria & on behalf of Jordan have spared the US any need to intervene significantly (i…

There's nothing wrong with discussing the reality of Israeli Zionist influence on US & World governemnts.

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"

If you'd like to learn more, simply read Culture of Critique (google Culture of Critique PDF for a free version) to learn about the principles of Judaism and the (lack of) respect they have for non-Jews (considered "cattle" by "the chosen").

Nah, let's lose the facade. Israel, Mossad, and the Zionist Lobby has been playing this game for a long time, but we of the free internet have been watching and discussing the situation for years.

It has long been time for this discussion to exit the shadows. It is not anti-semitic to note the disporportionate influence Israeli & Zionists have on all leadership of all three branches of the US government. (Not to mention their involvement in other governments as well as revolutions-- Bolshevik & Chinese communist revolutions were funded & advised by Jews.)

imho: it's Anti-American not to discuss this situation.

Biden's administration leadership is majority populated by Jews:

TLDR List: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jews-in-the-biden-admin...

More in depth background info in this list: https://www.timesofisrael.com/all-the-jews-biden-has-tapped-...

His head of intelligence is an orthodox Jewish woman

https://www.timesofisrael.com/biden-to-pick-orthodox-jewish-...

This article ends with a list of Jewish administration leaders in Trump's circle: https://www.jpost.com/opinion/joe-bidens-a-team-of-jewish-ad...

(Fun fact: all of Biden's and Trump's children are married to Jews as well.)

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Post by Zanni »

secabeen wrote: post #37
01100011 wrote: post #21

Not a lot of details in the article. I'm curious how 'AI' was actually used. Was it used to compensate for wind, distance, etc? Was it used to alert when the target was in range? Was it allowed to automatically recognize the target and deliver a kill shot? Was it used to make sure no innocents were behind him? Why did the apparatus weigh over a ton? It was only a matter of time before this happened though. With off-t…

The NYT article they're cribbing from has a lot more details, but yes, the AI was to compensate for wind, distance and latency to the operator: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/18/world/middleeast/iran-nuc...

https://web.archive.org/web/20210918090515/https://www.nytim...

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Post by aaron695 »

If you are wondering what the AI bit is, it's the claimed facial recognition.

The rest is ~high school mathematics.

Perhaps it could lock onto moving objects (also possibly AI), like a car, once the operator selects them But this is not talked about.

It's hard to believe not shooting his wife was not just good luck. But perhaps.

Real remote gun in Israel - https://mobile.twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/5067115366859...

Cool cyber punk remote water cannon -https://mondoweiss.net/2014/04/machine-installed-bethlehem/

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Post by greenpeacemaker »

flyinglizard wrote: post #65
maweki wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I rather not discuss the whole conflict. The fact is though, that modern Iran has little to no history of military intervention* and at least no history to suggest that any (if any really exists) ambition towards acquiring nuclear weapons is anything more than sabre-rattling. * Wikipedia comes up with the odd missile-strike against the islamic state. Edit: There's a difference between financing terrorism/freedom figh…

You can't be serious. Iran is one of the most militarily active players in the Middle East. They usually don't do this through the Iranian military itself (other than wanting to send a message like the attack on Saudi Abaqiq facilities with cruise missiles in 2019 [0]). They use proxies, which receive funding, weapons, training and orders from Iran. Hezbollah, Houthis, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, various Iraqi and Syrian m…

Attribution is difficult if you're behind a VPN

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Post by bawolff »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #12

So what is Israel likely to do when Iran has a working nuke? I ask as a half jew. These questions are intensely interesting to me. Probably "no one knows" is a decent answer, but I can't help but wonder what sort of plans are already in place. EDIT: I immediately regret asking about politics. Never mind. Hopefully things will work out.

I imagine they will continue to do whatever they think serves their geopolitical position best.

Nukes would give iran a significant power boost and bargaining chip, but it wouldn't magically make them rulers of the world. Iran's geopolitical enemies would still try to contain them, iran would still try and not be contained.

Similar to what happened when the soviets got nukes, but on a much smaller regional scale.

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Post by yummypaint »

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #70
popileviz wrote: post #56

Iran should have nuclear weapons if their citizens can be assassinated by foreign powers that proceed to brag about it openly. Imagine if the reverse happened - an Israeli scientist killed by Iranian special forces. The United States would be revving up for Iraq 2.0 in a matter of hours.

It is hard enough for the US and Russia to prevent accidental nuclear launch, detonation or loss. Many such incidents over the years. So, before you righteously wish nuclear capability on Iran, you might consider the non-linear increase in risks associated with each new entry into the nuclear club.

Yes, we need to collectively do everything we can to prevent a nuclear tragedy of the commons. That includes continued disarmarment of countries already armed. The more devices exist in the world, the higher the probability that some will fall into the hands of people who are not subject to the same incentive structures as secular governments (i.e. religious nuts) who would eagerly use them. One nuke being unexpectedly detonated in a major city could easily escalate into world-ending catastrophy.

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Post by kkoncevicius »

bawolff wrote: post #79
kkoncevicius wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if these are not "law abiding" groups, then by definition part of what they do is illegal. Which is the word I used in my comment. I don't understand these replies.

I'm a different person than the one who said nothing is illegal. I think nothing is illegal in international relations is a cop-out answer (and not technically true. I dont know about this particular act, but there are plenty of illegal things under int law). Technically yes - its unlikely to be resolved by a court. However i think most people agree that in general assainations are at least morally repugant (although…

I agree with everything you wrote here, but we talk past each other. The article was disturbing and it left an impression on me. There aren't many articles bragging about assassinations; CIA doesn't do that and if it did there would be domestic opposition. Yet the tone of this article makes it clear that they are not worried about that. That's why I wrote the original comment. It's not about "complaining that spy agencies are unethical". Deep down I just don't like what it represents and I don't think any post-hoc rationalisation will change that.
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